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12-21-2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebolav View Post
The speed skating picture helped me immensely, I was starting to think I shouldn't be able to bend my ankles at all. Am I correct, then, that skates without proper ankle support allow the ankle to turn independently of the boot (i.e. too big) OR are too soft/give way to easily, collapsing instead of holding the ankle through the bend? Because if so, then I finally get it, at least for this, and it means my skates do fit.

The attached pictures-outside edge is still pretty bad for me, but I get what # 17 in green is doing there. The other pictures I feel like I am doing properly. The video is sick, wow, I can do what he does *maybe* 33% as well *forward only*. But that's why I'm in a scrub pickup league

I do run, and I'm assuming if I had structural issues with my foot, I would turn my ankles inwards then too, and thus get sore while running in my ankle tendons, etc. But I don't/can go 5+ miles no problem, so that's probably not an issue...?

So I think that rules out a lot of possible problems, except for the hollow. I can't remember where (here maybe?) but I seem to recall that some former inliners found 5/8" or 3/4" or 90/50 FBV hollows easier to stop on, as the inliner tendency to turn the ankle inwards during the stopping motion would then be partially offset by the 'looser' grip on the ice. Am I getting that correctly?

Other than that, off to free skate this weekend, and Happy Holidays to everyone, I really appreciate the lively discussion, it's reignited my passion for this game I had when I was a kid.
Glad I can help! Re: your first question, the main thing your skates should be doing with respect to your ankle is really locking your heel down, you don't want your heel to be slopping around while skating. It doesn't sound like this is a problem for you. In a properly fitting skate:
- Your toes should have some wiggle room
- Your whole foot from the base of your toes to your heel/ankle should be held very snugly, with no movement possible within the boot once it's laced above
- Above the ankle, you should be able to bend forwards into a nice deep stance, and you should be able to roll your skates side to side about as much as shown in some of the pictures I posted earlier

You can try a shallower hollow, it might help you learn to stop/scrape the ice a bit more easily. Ultimately you should be able to stop well on a wide range of hollows, but it might be a slight help when it comes to learning.

It's hard to say for sure without actually watching you run, but I agree that your issue is probably not some inherent foot pronation. If you generally run/walk/stand fine, but let your ankles bend inwards excessively when skating, it's likely just technique/practice. Most new skaters let their ankles bend in even when gliding forwards, that's the whole reason people refer to new skaters/players as "benders." You'll learn to control your ankles with time.

And yeah, Subban is an insanely good skater, none of us will ever be anywhere close to that good, but it's something to shoot for

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Originally Posted by Ebolav View Post
Thanks, that would be awesome of you to do. I'm going to see if I can drag my wife out at least for a few minutes to videotape me so I can see what my feet are doing...
Will do. But I do think you shouldn't worry too much about side-to-side ankle bend with stops, they're done with at least more or less straight ankles. It sounds like your main issue is that you start turning before the stop, which is wrong. You want to be rotating your skate while keeping all of your momentum going forwards. One thing that can help at first is to set up the stop with a deep forward knee bend, then when you're about to stop you straighten up a bit to sort of "unweight" your skates, allowing you to get the blades rotated without initiating any turning, then as you scrape through the stop you can sink back into the knee bend again. Almost like jumping into the stop, but toned down.

Again, the main points are:
- No turning
- Don't "set up" the stop at all
- Just glide straight forwards, rotate your skates 90 degrees, then scrape through the stop while looking forwards, and keeping all of your momentum forwards
- Prevent your ankles from flopping all over the place by holding then firm. If your stop is super choppy, just try to push/scrape through it with more even, constant pressure, from the middle of your blade


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