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12-23-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FerrisRox View Post
In the Stanley Cup Final, the single most important set of games in his entire career, Luongo posted
a save percentage of .850 or lower in four of the seven games in the Final. Disturbingly, in two of the games his save percentage was below .800. If Vancouver had even a half-way decent goalie, they win that series and the Cup. Instead, they didn't just get less then adequate goaltending, they received awful net minding, and it cost them. If you think in any way, shape or form he compares on any level to what Tim Thomas did that spring, you are confused, mis-informed or perhaps just a pathological liar. It's like comparing a triangle to a bag or marbles and marvelling at their similarity. Vancouver got to the Final that year in spite of Luongo, not because of him. Amazingly, he had SEVEN games where he posted a save percentage below .850 in that one playoff run. Anyway you slice it, that's just plain awful and players that **** the bed come playoff time not surprisingly don't fetch huge hauls in a trade. He's so widely inconsistent that no team can seriously pin their hopes on him. In the playoffs, the guy is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that's a risk very few GM's - including Mike Gillis - want to take. In last years playoffs, he played just two games, one of them, again with a sub .850 save percentage and the year before the trip to the Final, Luongo played 12 playoff games for the Canucks and delivered a save percentage of .857 or lower in FIVE of the games. Teams don't win championships with that kind of "clutch" goaltending. Vancouver fans seem to think that nobody understands why the Canucks want to trade Luongo. We all get it. What we don't quite understand is why Toronto would want to acquire him.




Well, here's the problem, you're saying he'll continue playing at his "current rate" and the problem is, I was saying it's unlikely he'll deliver "elite goaltending" for the next five or six years. If you think his "current rate" (which statistically was virtually indentical to journeyman Jose Theodore who was on a much lousier team) is elite, your credibility has just gone out the window. If the best case scenario is Luongo maintains the decidedly average performance he put in last season (when he lost his starters job in the playoffs) why would any team acquire the burden on his contract? Are you starting to see the point? You can say the odds are 70-30 that he will play well into his 40's (an absurd claim, by the way because he's not even playing that well *now*) but the real question is: will he play better than Jacob Markstrom or whoever else Florida could acquire an pay $5 million a season without being handcuffed to a long burdensome contract? I think the odds of that are more like 4-96, and that's really the point.
He didn't lose his job. Damnit this is frustrating seeing outsiders watch a few highlights then make these assumptions. For those who didn't notice:

-He had a very good season. Carried the team at times. Another PT for the Canucks starter.
-The team was without D. Sedin, Allstar- dman Edler was playing injured, same with Kesler. 3 of our top 4 skaters out or hurt vs. the eventual Cup winner
- The team was playing away from there usual strengths, trying to be more defensive with key offensive guys in rough shape or absent. It wasn't working for them. Not really surprising.
-Luongo wasn't the reason Canucks were down 2-0, the Canucks were. The team didn't play very well. The skaters looked flat, and the team needed a spark if they were going to get back into the series. Considering the injuries, there really weren't any viable options to realistically provide more offense. Why not give Schneider a chance? Goalie's get pulled when the team is playing poor. That IS part of the game. And how many times does it make the team play better? Sometimes. Worth a shot in my books, and many NHL coaches seem to agree.
-Schneider has done everything possible to earn more games (nothing to do with Luongo) He's been a star goalie at every level, and has every indication of doing it in the NHL

So, now Vancouver has a 2nd star goalie ready to show his stuff, and a flat team down 2-0. They needed a change. The team still lost the next game! Then D.Sedin comes back for game 4, and they win, then go to overtime the next game. If all you guys can come up with is "Luongo lost his job", then don't get mad if we don't take your opinions seriously. Schneider is cheaper and younger. Canucks believe he's going to be a star, it only makes sense to move the older guy. Think about it. Its not Luongo losing his job, its business. Luongo still is, and will be a starter for years to come. Just so happens that Schneider will be too. If we were moving Schneider instead, all you would be doing now, is devaluing Schneider because "he was moved to keep an older, more expensive goalie that chokes in big games. If the Canucks don't believe in him enough to move Luongo instead, then I'm not giving anything good for an unproven backup that rode the sucess of a PT-winning defence." or some crap like that.

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