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12-29-2012, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Phil View Post
I can't force you to stop, but you really ought to stop the whole "Best finishes against Canadians" train of thought, it goes nowhere. Selanne and Dionne both had the NHL to play in as the best league in the world. Look at each of their top talent and tell me there aren't similarities. That's really all you have to do.

Yes, I do criticize Dionne for never winning a 7 game playoff series. We weren't talking about his dismal playoff record though when we were talking about elevating their teammates. It is obvious that Dionne elevated Simmer and Taylor's play. Not that they weren't fine players, but there is no doubt who the cream of the crop was on the Triple Crown line. Simmer did nothing until he teamed up with Dionne. Taylor as well clearly benefitted from Dionne. That's all.

Yeah the Perreault vs. Selanne comparison makes more sense than Dionne because overall Selanne is closer to Perreault than Dionne. There is a gap between Dionne and Perreault. In between somewhere is Selanne. He actually probably is favoured in an argument over Perreault, while he isn't with Dionne.

Add in all the stats with each player and throw in an impressive playoff resume for Perreault combined with an impressive international career and it actually is a nice comparison. Dionne's offense is just simply too hard to overcome.

As for goals, yeah there isn't a huge difference at all, while Dionne is noticeably the better playmaker.

Goals:
Dionne - 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 8, 9, 10
Selanne - 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 10

Dionne finished in the top 5 more times. Selanne led the NHL three times, which is impressive of course. Dionne lost out to Bossy twice and had Lafleur there as well and then eventually Gretzky.

Look, Dionne just benefits from constantly racking up points year after year. He lives and dies with this method and if he is compared to a player that is similar to him that wasn't great defensively, not overly physical, not a legendary playoff performer, then a guy like Dionne is almost always going to win a battle like this because few players can match his offense in NHL history, and Selanne isn't one of them.
Best average adjusted point seasons:

PLAYER Top3 T5 T8 T10 T12
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Dionne 117 115 106 102 98
Selanne 114 108 102 99 95
Perreault 96 92 87 84 81

Career adjusted numbers (goals, points, plus-minus):
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Dionne 623, 1528, +384
Selanne 705, 1489, +365
Perreault 453, 1186, -51

I can understand picking Dionne over Selanne, by a slim margin, but to pretend Selanne wasn't even close and to say he's as close to Perreault as he is to Dionne... that's just plain wrong.

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