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01-03-2013, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TAnnala View Post
Oh, i get it now.

Adjusted stats close the gap between Jagr/Lemieux and others.

What i found noteworthy is that in top-10 adjusted streaks after 1994 there is only one Selanne and one Forsberg. Others spots are Lemieux and Jagr. Both having four spots.

Not sure how good measurement adjusted stats are between 1990's years and 2005 onwards. I feel like the stars today get a little too rough treatment and stars in the 90's get a bit too much slack due to difficult scoring.
The adjusted numbers do slightly hurt post-lockout seasons vs. DPE seasons (mid-90s to last lockout). The average difference is ~3%. If you are looking at a single season from each period, the difference could be larger, but if you're looking at multiple seasons from each period, it's really not much of a factor.

Lemieux and Jagr don't dominate these and other lists due to some flaw in adjusted points, but because they were clearly much better. Let's look at the other players who were on the adjusted list at least 3 times:

8 Selanne 1999 41 1.88
10 Forsberg 2003 45 1.83
11 Lindros 1999 41 1.82
12 Crosby 2007 42 1.82
13 Ovechkin 2010 52 1.80
15 Lindros 1997 43 1.76
17 Ovechkin 2008 41 1.75
18 Crosby 2011 41 1.74
20 Malkin 2012 41 1.73
21 Sakic 2001 62 1.70
23 Malkin 2008 42 1.68
25 Thornton 2003 41 1.66
28 Lindros 1995 42 1.63
29 Crosby 2010 55 1.62
30 Thornton 2006 44 1.62
32 Thornton 2007 51 1.61
33 Malkin 2009 42 1.61
35 Selanne 1997 42 1.58
36 Forsberg 2001 41 1.57
38 Ovechkin 2009 66 1.57
39 Bure 2001 41 1.56
40 Sakic 2000 42 1.55
43 Lindros 1996 47 1.55
44 Forsberg 2004 41 1.55
46 Bure 2000 46 1.54
47 Forsberg 1998 41 1.54
48 Bure 1994 43 1.53
52 Selanne 1996 42 1.50
56 Forsberg 1999 44 1.49
61 Selanne 1998 46 1.46
62 Ovechkin 2006 44 1.46
63 Forsberg 1996 41 1.45
64 Sakic 1996 41 1.45
66 Lindros 1994 51 1.44
67 Forsberg 2006 41 1.43

Selanne 1.88, 1.58, 1.50, 1.46
Forsberg 1.83, 1.57, 1.55, 1.54, 1.49, 1.45, 1.43
Lindros 1.82, 1.76, 1.63, 1.55, 1.44
Sakic 1.70, 1.55, 1.45
Bure 1.56, 1.54, 1.53

Crosby 1.82, 1.74, 1.62
Ovechkin 1.80, 1.75, 1.57, 1.46
Malkin 1.73, 1.68, 1.61
Thornton 1.66, 1.62, 1.61

Lindros' top 3 are about even with Crosby & Ovechkin, and Crosby should still have some very good years ahead if he can stay healthy. That shouldn't be shocking, because as hyped as Crosby was, we know that Lindros was even more so. Like Crosby, he mostly lived up to the hype, but both often struggled to avoid injuries. Crosby's and Ovechkin's top 3 hold up against anyone else, and Malkin's top 3 fares well against anyone but Lindros. Malkin is still in his peak years as well and probably the most certain to have at least another great season or two. So I don't see it as adjusted stats favoring the 90s generation over the post-lockout generation.

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