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12-11-2003, 11:02 AM
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This is the last I'm going to bother responding to you because you are either a troll, or a confused kid (though you are supposed to be 17) but let me just point out a few more (obvious) things.
You seem to like to avoid cold, hard facts.
*You seem to not be able to accept this happened*
You've ignored what I told you about Cassels and Nolan. You've ignored huge factual discrepencies in terms of when GM's were hired and fired and how that directly disputes 'claims' you've made.
*First of all Nolan was offered in a deal when Savard was negotiating, and Houle stopped talks right after, he wanted to make his own deal, if would have only waited for a little bit.*
You've also (repeatedly) ignored that your "uncle's" title was Adminstrative Assistant to the General Manager.
You keep calling hm the Assistant GM.
There's a huge difference.
*Now you truly deserve the title "idiot", as he has a bachlor of commerce in sports administration, which is what I believe Trevor Timmins has aswell, and what I plan on going into. He was the assistant GM! think of that. He was the assistant GM, and you should know that. It dissapoints me that a 17 year old would know that and you wouldn't!! If he wasn't the assistant GM, then PLEASE tell me who it was.*
During that era, Lise Beaudry carried the title "Adminstrative Assistant to the President." Same title.
*NO IT ISN'T MY UNCLE GOT JOB OFFERS FROM MANY TEAMS, INCLUDING SEVERAL GM OFFERS, BUT HE LIVED IN MONTREAL. Lise Beaudry was Corey's secretary. Donna Stuart was Houle's secretary*
So by your logic, you think Ms. Lise Beaudry was second in command after Ronald Corey in the Montreal Canadiens organization?
*So I don't so don't put words into my mouth, accept it, he was assistant GM, why wouldn't you believe me....its not like so rare its impossible.*
*I'm laughing at your stupidity, and not being able to accept the truth.*
Of course not - she was his secretary!
*No **** sherlock! My uncle wasn't a secretary*
Maybe you are touchy because it's family, but haven't some of these FACTS made it clear to you that your uncle lied to you?
*He didn't lie, he told me after the Houle era some of the things, except for Roy, and at the time they wanted Daigle.*
Isn't the FACT that he told you the Sharks deal included Owen Nolan, yet was negotatied by Serge Savard (and impossibility cause Nolan never played in San Jose during Savard tenure) enough to doubt your Uncle's credibilty?
*Yeah I am going to doubt my uncle and trust you who has done nothing but jibberish. You think teams don't give anything up in trades???? Maybe Nolan was on San Jose, he was still a part of the offers, that I know*
What about the FACT that Andrew Cassels never suffered an injury with Vancouver during Rejean Houle's tenure. Isn't that FACT, which totally disputes your alleged reasoning behind the Linden/Bertuzzi offer enough to make you doubt him?
*You think I know the exact reasoning, I only said its a possibility. I know they wanted Linden, and offered Bert! I know they were weak down the middle too.*
FACT - Mike Keenan negotiated for weeks to acquire Pierre Turgeon, Craig Conroy and Rory Fitzpatrck from Houle. Your uncle claimed that Houle accepted the first offer. For this not to be a lie out of your uncles mouth, Keenan has to be lying, and his motive would be to make himself look LESS clever. Keenan, known for his arrogance, instead of saying 'your' truth, that he duped Houle with the first offer, instead lies - about himself - and says he worked on the deal for weeks. Makes a lot of sense.
*And of course, only you would believe everything that is said in the press! Its a shame seeing people get hypnotized by press, taking someone else's opinion, then thinking they know EVERYTHING about hockey. You know nothing until your are hockey, until you work in hockey. Until then your just a fan. Also you think the press goes on facts all the time, they make facts! I believe my uncle when he said that Houle didn't negotiate it, didn't see the possibilities. He took the first offer. Many teams wanted him, but he said to my uncle I am trading Turgeon tommrow!*
You KNOW he told you three lies right there. You KNOW, according to the Montreal Canadiens Official Guides that his title WAS NOT Assistant GM.
*Look again, because I am certa*in that he was the assistant GM. If he wasn't then who was????????*
Yet you are still in here arguing, and just ignoring all the facts.
Here's another fact - Stephane Quintal and Vladimir Malakhov were NEVER All-Stars during their Canadien tenures. They never 'played like' All-Stars either. You are too young to remember those years clearly, obviously, but anyone old enough here can tell you that Vlad and Stephane for Fedorov is absurd. Your uncle was pulling your leg or trying to impress you.
Either way, stop behaving like a child and calling me an idiot for telling you FACTS. There's a difference between disagreeing and name-calling.
*Dude their not facts, their your opinions. And your the one who started the whole name calling. Wow!!!! your the one who deserves the "LMAO"*
You can 'pretend' that i'm calling you a liar out of spite or vengence, but I'm merely telling you facts, and I've also made it clear that perhaps you are not the liar, that your uncle is --- a conclusion that seems obvious if what you are saying is true, in that several things you say he told you are clearly disputed by known facts and by comments made by people involved in the trades.
*My uncle worked hard to get where he got, and he knows a HELL OF A LOT MORE Than you. So you can have your theories that you call facts as to why a deal or offer wouldn't happen, whil;e he knows the truth. Maybe he added to them, maybe he didn't either way, I know that most of those instances that I mentioned were true.*
Secondly neither of us are liars your just an idiot!
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