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01-06-2013, 06:09 PM
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Tintin's Ghost
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Originally Posted by DanielBryanRoleModel View Post
I hear that a lot regarding unions of all sorts, the whole "The union was good then, but now it is unnecessary and they are arguing for things they don't need." What you are arguing seems to be an extension of that, IMO. The problem is that if the union doing its union stuff is now unnecessary, what happens when you stop the union from doing its union stuff? What happens is that the ownership gets more and more from the employees eventually to the point where it is as if the union never existed.

I view the whole "Union is unnecessary/going too far these days" argument as a bit of a logical fallacy for that reason. A union in an environment where the unions aren't run by the government as pawns (Soviet Union) is supposed to make the lives of employers miserable, that is the very reason for its existence: To say "Respect our demands, or we don't work."

So if one thinks that union representatives playing hardball is bad in the current time period, that person is essentially arguing that union representatives playing hardball is always a bad thing, because unions are constantly arguing to make sure things don't always turn to the owners side.

Labor disputes are labor disputes, and no side is inherently better than the other.

I hope my tone isn't too political or accusatory, I just don't think Hainsey deserves to be booed for simply being a union representative.
That's a really good point. The part of your reply that I bolded really made me think.

Still not a fan of how Hainsey conducted himself during the lockout. I feel he was combative instead of collaborative and that prolonged this lockout. I feel the same for Jeremy Jacobs. At the end of the day, we had a 100+ day lockout so those who were stewards for the process deserve to take responsibility for the unnecessary lockout.

I'm pumped that the NHL is back but I'm still pissed it had to be compromised to begin with. I've got a few friends who are no longer following hockey because they have had enough crap with millionaires fighting billionaires.

Personally, I have no problem with anybody booing Hainsey. I likely would if I could afford tickets. He's as much a goat as Jacobs, Bettman and Fehr are.

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