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01-16-2013, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Estimated_Prophet View Post
He was never a top 15 d-man. He has always been terrible in his own end and was overrated due to the Toronto media and fanbase.

To be a top 15 d-man you have to be a legitimate #1, which he never was.....
That's ********. He played on a crappy team and had to play a lot of tough minutes, so if he was even below average defensively he'd have been -50 every year.

At his best he was a top 10 guy(in the NHL) offensively and above average defensively. Based on the measuring stick some people use there are only like 10 d-men in the friggen NHL that are above average defensively(plus 50 that are average and 150 that suck defensively).

I can put together a 30 minute video of Chara, Suter, Weber, Lidstrom, Regehr, Seabrook, Doughty, Staal, Timonen etc making brutal giveaways or getting undressed on defense. Point being bad plays happen to the best of them and will happen to Markov Kaberle and Subban, it doesn't make them "bad defensively".

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