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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Good picks and prospects are traded for every year. Please stop with this. Was Braeden Schenn a bad prospect? This happens every year man. Our problem is that we've spent no time trying to do this. We've been stuck with GMs happy with 8th place.
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Schenn was traded for Richards, a player with a better level than the ones we have. And Richards was playing for a team that was nowhere near a rebuilding phase.
The problem is not to have a GM happy with a 8th place, its that the GM needs to be competent in order to change that 8th place to a 7th, then a 6th etc...
If we are using Chicago or Pittsburgh as a model, well fine, lets go bankrupt and have a team so putrid that 5 years of Top-5 picks are necessary to turn things around.
But since our team with Price, Subban and Pacioretty already have 3 high-caliber players under 25, i think its going to be difficult to suck that bad. Sure, we were 15th last year, we needed an horrible interim coach, being Top-3 in man-games lost by injury and a incredible number of poor decisions by our GM.
(Did Pittsburgh trade for picks ?
Did Columbus, Edmonton, Chicago or the Islanders ?
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
That's what I said five years ago man. You have to get those players BEFORE they become stars. That's the whole reason why you deal for them as prospects!!!!!!
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Its impossible to do nowadays. Top-5 picks have already a huge reputation when they're drafted.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Same with say... Claude Giroux from a couple of years ago. People LAUGHED at that and now...
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And of course, the Flyers would have greacefully let Giroux walk away, not realizing what they had between their hands.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Dude, good prospects usually go onto become good players.
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I dont think that GM are very smart in general, but if allegedly (important word) good prospects are traded, history showed us that there is only a limited number of options about the why.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
So look for teams that have them and are making a playoff run. Then offer them something they can't refuse. If a team is going for a cup and you show up with Markov, Cole, Pleks or a combination of these guys they are going to listen to you.
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A combination is impossible considering the cap situation.
The problem is that these players are in a situation where they are very difficult to move at a right value. Not flashy enough to give you a grade A prospect or a Top-8 pick. But too important to give them away without really nitpicking on the return.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Again, last year I mentioned Washington's extra pick. People here said no. Well, now they've drafted Forsberg... would you be interested now? Is it harder to get the prospect now? We just never seem to learn...
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Washington's extra pick is from Colorado, a team that was not supposed to be picking that low. No way that they deal this one.
The only pick you could have was Washington's and if you deal them away a good player, obviously, it would have been a lower pick than 16th.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
It makes sense to deal away prospects when you are a contender. The window to win a cup can be short and sometimes you've got to go for it. Too bad we're never in this position...
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It doesnt make any sense anymore to deal away prospects.
Picks, yes, because there is an unknown element, but prospects, not really, because they can bring a plus to a team at a fair price, and there is an implication on the rest of the prospect pool.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Prospects and picks are always avaialable. You've got to be willing to pay the price though.
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I would love it if you can show me 5 good prospects that were/are traded to a team that is in the midst of a rebuilding scenario. I can only come up with two.
Otherwise, the prospects are not that good, the deal is dramatically lopsided, or the team receiving the prospect was the better one of the two at the time (like in Schenn's/Richard's case, or in Staal's/Pouliot's, Kessel's/Seguin's...)
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
Most teams are shooting for 8th and most teams don't intentionally rebuild. That doesn't mean it's not a smart idea. We've had the worst asset management in the league. We've let tons of players walk for zero... I won't list them you know who they are. And we wasted Cammy and benched AK just before trading him. Went after Kaberle.
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A solid asset management is enough to be a regular presence in PO. And not as a team stealing the 8th spot in the 82th game.
Phoenix and Nashville are proving it every year. Without very high picks...
And from that point, you can be a decent team (Devils-like) with only a few good moves.
Thats why they all chose this road.
You believe that Bergevin could be hired if he says to Molson that we have to blow this team apart whereas other candidates surely have an idea or two with that current core ?
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
If you think that we can't get prospects and picks with the vets that we have, you are dead wrong.
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I believe that you are really overestimating the return we can find for them.