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01-19-2013, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
Below is the game played data for NHL pre 1967 expansion goalies:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...y=games_goalie

John Ross Roach has good longevity but that is about it.

Compare his GAA against Connell or Chabot, difference is roughly .4 - .5 per game in a low scoring era. Well behind the HHOF goalies of the pre Red Line era. Basically ahead of the Jake Forbes, Wilf Cude types by less than he trails the top HHOF goalies from the era.
The main reason Roach's GAA is higher is because as an AVERAGE, it averages all years together, and Roach played in the early 1920s, when scoring was much higher than in the late 1920s or even the early 1930s. Roach played from 1920-21 to 1934-35. Connell played from 1924-25 to 1936-37. Chabot played from 1927-28 to 1936-37.

When they were all in the league together (1927-28 to 1934-35), these were their GAAs:

Hainsworth 1.95
Gardiner 2.02
Connell 2.03
Thompson 2.04
Chabot 2.05
Roach 2.14
Worters 2.23

Those 7 are the only goalies who played 280+ games during the time frame, no other goalie played more than 179 games. http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...y=games_played

That time frame, however, includes Roach's declining phase but not the declining phases of Connell and Chabot. If you look at 1927-28 to 1932-33 (Roach's last season as a full starter), you get:

Hainsworth 1.82
Thompson 1.87
Connell 2.06
Roach 2.08
Chabot 2.10
Gardiner 2.10
Worters 2.14

Same 7 goalies, these 7 all broke 220 games, no other goalie had more than 127 games played. http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...y=games_goalie

You can't just compare raw GAA from different time frames when league scoring changes wildly (as it did from the high scoring early 20s to the deadest of dead puck late 20s). Comparing apples to apples, Roach's GAA fits right in with Connell and Chabot. And Roy Worters, widely considered by NHL GMs the best goalie in the late 1920s, who still got significant recognition from writers in the early 30s, has the worst GAA of anyone who was able to keep his starting job during the time frame. Shows the impact of team effects on GAA, even in that era.


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