All Encompassing Tanking/Rebuilding/Selling at Deadline Thread 2.0
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01-22-2013, 01:45 AM
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I think the Habs could recover to bubble team status as early as 2013-2014 and to contender status as early as 2014-2015.
The Habs have a good "youth" core of Price, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz, Eller, Pacioretty. That's not good enough to compete, but it's a good start and a great veteran core of the future.
Our prospect includes Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis, Galchenyuk, Leblanc, Gallagher, Kristo, Collberg; from that group we'll already have some mild improvement to the roster as early as 2013-2014, and serious improvement by 2014-2015. I don't expect them all to make it, but I listed 8 guys... if 3 or 4 of them make then that is significant. I think that if you add that to our current youth corps, that's enough for a bubble team in 2013-2014, and *possibly* a contender in 2015-2018, that depends on whether or not 3/4 of those guys make it or 6/7. 6 or 7 successes out of 8 is unlikely, hence an outside shot of contenderdom.
- Whatever UFA we pick up to replace Cole, Gionta, etc with our cleared cap space; should be a strategic acquisition.
- Our top-5 pick in 2013, say Seth Jones or Elias Lindholm;
Yes, definitely a bubble team in 2013-2014 and a good shot at contenderdom in 2015-2018. Adding Seth Jones means we don't need 6 of the 8 prospects listed above to succeed; we still have that possibility, or we could have 3 of them succeed as well as Seth Jones succeeding, since his ceiling is higher, the end result is better.
The 1st round and 2nd round picks we get for Markov, Gionta, Plekanec, etc are not to form the contender. I think we can have a contender without them... but they will improve the odds. If we draft 23rd overall in 2013 from a trade, that means a good roster player in 2016 in 2017 if we're lucky, which makes our future contender just a little better, like if you added Pacioretty to Los Angeles for example. More specifically, the Kings had Colton Teubert from another team's pick, whom they traded for Dustin Penner, who made them a little better.
The other reason to trade those guys is to open up spots on the roster. There are no rookies on the roster this year, or there will be none after game 5. If you want to have 2 or 3 rookies on the roster, you need to open up spots, we might as well get draft picks rather than let our UFAs walk for nothing.
Your argument is a good one, but I think it's being a little optimistic timeline-wise. This year's draft won't do much towards next season making us a bubble team (which we are right now). Let's just say we get Seth Jones (which we won't - we're not that bad or lucky), won't have an impact for another 2 years since we'll want to be careful (I fully expect Gallys to be sent down). Whoever we get instead of Jones (and again, I doubt it's bottom 5) won't help us for awhile, not before 2015-2016. It'll just be 3 years of suckage IF we put out the same performances. This is where I think we can change things. Just play better. I know it sounds too simple, but aside from the D (which needs to be fixed), we can make the playoffs this year and who knows what happens at the deadline to make us somewhat dangerous (apart from last year, we've had some pretty fun rides). This is without any cost in terms of giving up picks. No more of that. I could accept maybe trading one of our vets for a very good pick, but not more that one.
I think you were also alluding to making us ready by 2016/2017, but suggesting that we'd have success before then. I think '16 sounds about right. I'm being a little "emotional" here or perhaps passionate, but I don't think we can or have to wait that long. We keep talking about Tinordi and Beaulieu. If they were as developed as PK (who's development has been pretty quick when we take a big step back after the usual story being him having to learn to be an NHL player...a story that is playing out quite well ATM), we would be set! That's how close IMO we are to being contenders IF everyone plays to their potential. That's what I get annoyed at - losing even though we're better than that.
Trading Cole, Gionta, whoever, I can see maybe next year if things continue to go badly, but I feel like trading away what works sets us back too far to have an actual passing of a torch, however dimly it burns currently.
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Our D is bad. The Leafs entered our zone and get to the slots at ease. We missed some one like Harmlik who is going to nail you when you get too close to Price.
Yup. Therrien is the reason we signed Cube. He better take responsibility for that. Is it me or did it seem like Emelin was struggling with the cage? Is it permanent? I know he's got a plate in his face, but is whatever injury he currently have in a healing process? Gorges will be better, not worried there. Diaz has lots to prove and he can do it, but it really is a crap shoot with him.
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