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01-22-2013, 04:53 PM
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Talks to Goalposts
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Originally Posted by Miller Time View Post
Kulikov played 1:02 minutes/game on the PK (5th on the Panthers) & 17:58 ES (3rd on the panthers).
2:50 on the PP (2nd) and 21:51 overall...

Subban?
overall 24:18 (1st)
ES 18:11 (2nd, by 8s/game)
PK 2:36 (2nd, as pointed out, this was despite his 100+PIM)
PP 3:29 (3rd, behind Markov who played only 13 games, & kaberle who played only 43 with MTL)


you don't have to "buy" anything... numbers speak for themselves.

Subban was used more & relied on more by Montreal than Kulikov was for the Panthers.

you can interpret that in terms of value to the team however you like, doesn't change the fact of how each player was used by their respective teams in the last year of their ELC.
Not to mention a minus player on both goals and shots in a role where Campbell-Garrison was doing all the heavy lifting on defense.

Kulikov and Del Zotto are comparable players. They aren't comparable to Subban.

Subban's best comparables are OEL, Hedman, Carlson, Myers, Fowler and McDonagh. He and OEL are on the high end of that group.

Basically the solid young defensemen who aren't quite Doughty, Karlsson and Pietroangelo.

What Subban does more closely resembles what the Norris candidates are doing rather than the 2nd pairing offensive specialists.

The key issue here is evaluating defensemen based on points, which is terrible. Defensemen point scoring isn't under their direct control. On ES they are subject to whatever their forwards do unless they play like Green or Byfuglin. A good Off D. on ES creates the conditions under which scoring will be encouraged but can't do it directly themselves. On PP, their direct talents get a lot more rein, but are heavily subject to team system and ice-time constraints.

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