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01-22-2013, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts View Post
Not to mention a minus player on both goals and shots in a role where Campbell-Garrison was doing all the heavy lifting on defense.

Kulikov and Del Zotto are comparable players. They aren't comparable to Subban.

Subban's best comparables are OEL, Hedman, Carlson, Myers, Fowler and McDonagh. He and OEL are on the high end of that group.

Basically the solid young defensemen who aren't quite Doughty, Karlsson and Pietroangelo.

What Subban does more closely resembles what the Norris candidates are doing rather than the 2nd pairing offensive specialists.

The key issue here is evaluating defensemen based on points, which is terrible. Defensemen point scoring isn't under their direct control. On ES they are subject to whatever their forwards do unless they play like Green or Byfuglin. A good Off D. on ES creates the conditions under which scoring will be encouraged but can't do it directly themselves. On PP, their direct talents get a lot more rein, but are heavily subject to team system and ice-time constraints.
My feeling is the only defenders in that age group I'd trade Subban for are Doughty, Karlsson and Pietrangelo. OEL and Subban are just below them, ahead of even the other head of the class defenders who stand out from their defensive usage as well as two way play.

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