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12-15-2003, 06:45 AM
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BostonGrl819
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Why are Americans always characterized as cocky, greedy, arrogant, etc.? Do you guys watch the news and think that the people you see-George Bush, Wall Street brokers, the ignoramuses who just want attention-represent Joe Everyman???

Come on! By doing that, you're being just as "cocky" as we supposedly are. Furthermore, you'd be surprised at the level of social consciousness in America - especially among America's youth. Just because it doesn't get a lot of press doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For a lot of people, despite the stereotype, money is NOT everything. We know that many others have it a lot worse than we do. I'm reminded of that everytime I walk through Boston and see all the panhandlers.

Maybe you ought to consider the reality of life outside YOUR country. Yes, you live in a socialist society, and everyone has free access to healthcare...congratulations! That's a great thing (and actually, MA is trying to do the same).

The way your society is run, however, does NOT give you the right to look down on the U.S. That type of atmosphere is what you know-of course you think it's the "right" way. People claim the U.S. thinks it's "superior"-well, from your post it seems like you think Canada is. Yet, in your case, it's allowable but, in our case, it's typical "American" behavior.

I'd like to know how many of you U.S. bashers have actually spent time (and I mean longer than a week's vacation in California or Florida) in our country. Notice how I haven't bashed Canada. I'm not an expert on your country, nor will I pretend to be one. I don't think I'm in any position to stereotype an entire country. That's not my place. (Hint, hint.) I'm not trying to start a U.S. vs. Canada debate, I just hope you guys will be a little more open-minded. Don't bash America just to bash America.

Back to the "Miracle" debate...

One of you claims a miracle is only an act of God.
Here's a dictionary definition:

"Main Entry: mir·a·cle
Pronunciation: 'mir-i-k&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin miraculum, from Latin, a wonder, marvel, from mirari to wonder at
Date: 12th century
1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs
2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment
3 Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law"
(From Merriam-Webster's)

I'd say number 2 confirms the "Miracle on Ice" WAS a miracle.


Shaolin, a production company makes a movie about the "Miracle on Ice" and suddenly we're trying to start something with the Russians???
Relax with the conspiracy theories. Yeah, I can imagine the President on the phone, "Hello Mr. Hollywood Producer, I want to start something with the Russians, so let's make a movie about the 'Miracle on Ice.' That will really get those Ruskies going."
Come on, man. If we wanted to start something, we'd have the CIA or NSA plant things. (On the other hand, I think Russia is perfectly capable of starting things all by itself. Have ppl forgotten that Putin was in the KGB!!??)

Only war unites us? That's a good one. Maybe it did in the days of WWI and WWII, but not anymore. War DIVIDES us-it has since Vietnam. TRAGEDY unites us, but I have seen too many protests over the current war to be able to agree with your incorrect and unfounded assessment.

On to your Michael Jordan argument. Whoever wrote the book or reviewed it called him "a real American hero." Good for them. I don't think there's a certain American who decides who is a real American hero and who isn't. Whoever claimed that was just trying to promote the book. I bet the majority of Americans would not term Jordan a hero.

On to Necrophile...
Ok, Florida is a sub-tropical climate! Of course interest in hockey isn't going to be high. The kids don't grow up playing hockey there-they grow up playing water sports. I bet if Canada had a sub-tropical region, hockey wouldn't be popular there either.

As for calling Detroit "Hockeytown," I think they gave themselves that moniker. I can't stand the Wings, and I've never ever referred to Detroit by that name.

Yeah, hockey is the number 7 sport, but how is that relevant? That doesn't diminish the magnitude of the accomplishment of the 1980 men's Olympic hockey team. Yes, hockey isn't the most popular sport, but the "Miracle" DID advance youth hockey programs in the U.S.

You mention the "complex dynamics of the Canadian-American relationship." Those dynamics are...???
Seems like you think they have to do with mutual and unfounded stereotyping.

I'm not trying to start something, but I'm getting just a little sick of the U.S. being characterized as the "bad guy." I don't think you guys know what life is America is really like.

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