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02-05-2013, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WojtekGoalski View Post
I never said our C core was going to be elite with a J. Jokinen/Antropov type. Just better. Here's a list of the past 5 cup winning teams:

08' DET 257 GF
09' PIT 264 GF
10' CHI 271 GF
11' BOS 246 GF
12' LAK 194 GF

12' NYR 226 GF

LAK is the only wild card out of the 5 and they started scoring almost at will in the playoffs. Both on paper and on the ice so far the Rangers have not scored nearly enough. I don't see how I can make it any clearer. Our defense is not THAT much better than the majority of the teams we will be competing against to account for lack of goals.

Richter stood on his head in 94' and we won a cup. I have the feeling Lundqvist will have to do the same. Here's to hoping the "kids" play well and Lundqvist stands on his head
Again, different teams have different strengths. LAK had Kopitar, Richards, Stoll down the middle. They added Carter. They had Brown, Penner, Williams, Gagne on the wings. How come they scored so few goals compared to other teams? It's all irrelevant. It's about how the team plays and how they execute the system that gives them success. We had high roster turnover and it's still very early. We are tweaking our roster with little adjustments, finding players who will help make the system work more efficiently (Powe is that kind of player). I could argue that our top four defense and goaltending is better than any of those recent cup winners and that our strength is simply different. The point is it's really too early to tell and there is absolutely no sense in moving guys like Miller or McIlrath who you have proposed moving for a guy like Antropov or Jokinen. Literally, no sense. Moreover, I don't think anyone is AGAINST adding a deadline rental with a top-six skill set. The problems are, A.) you insist that we must do so in order to bump Stepan down to the third line because you are pushing this anti-Stepan/pro-center depth agenda extremely hard, down all of our throats and most of us have disagreed with you; some politely, some impolitely, but almost universally, and you just continue to insist that we're wrong, Stepan is deficient and we need a better 2C. And, B.) you want to move pieces we're simply not willing to part with, and which it really doesn't make sense to part with in a world where ELCs and cost controlled contracts are extremely important, especially on a team carrying some large contracts already, and you want to do so for players who most of us do not even agree are an upgrade. In principal, I doubt anyone is against adding the right rental with a top-six skill set, at the deadline, or when the price is right, for a reasonable cost, but nobody here is going to endorse moving guys like Miller, McIlrath or Fast for Jussi Jokinen, or Jussi Jokinen bumping Stepan down to the 3C spot. A move like Christian Thomas + 3rd + conditional 3rd in 2014 if we make the SCF, for a skilled veteran with some gas left in the tank at the deadline is okay. Something like Miller or Skej + 3rd for Jussi Jokinen who keeps more than 3M on the books next season is not.

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