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07-04-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by turnbuckle View Post
Your memory is a little sketchy. Okay i'm, being kind - very sketchy!! Robinson was like a starburst? Puhleeze!!

1974-75 Montreal Canadiens NHL 80 14 47 61 76 11 0 4 4 27
1975-76 Montreal Canadiens NHL 80 10 30 40 59 13 3 3 6 10
1976-77 Montreal Canadiens NHL 77 19 66 85 45 14 2 10 12 12
1977-78 Montreal Canadiens NHL 80 13 52 65 39 15 4 17 21 6
1978-79 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 16 45 61 33 16 6 9 15 8
1979-80 Montreal Canadiens NHL 72 14 61 75 39 10 0 4 4 2
1980-81 Montreal Canadiens NHL 65 12 38 50 37 3 0 1 1 2
1981-82 Montreal Canadiens NHL 71 12 47 59 41 5 0 1 1 8
1982-83 Montreal Canadiens NHL 71 14 49 63 33 3 0 0 0 2
1983-84 Montreal Canadiens NHL 74 9 34 43 39 15 0 5 5 22
1984-85 Montreal Canadiens NHL 76 14 33 47 44 12 3 8 11 8
1985-86 Montreal Canadiens NHL 78 19 63 82 39 20 0 13 13 22
1986-87 Montreal Canadiens NHL 70 13 37 50 44 17 3 17 20

13 straight "starburst" seasons with 43+ points - only one season in that span when he didn't score at least ten goals. His two 80+ seasons were ten seasons apart. Mr. Starburst was still averaging more than a PPG in the playoffs 14 years after scoring that huge OT goal against Philly in the 1973 playoffs. Perhaps Robinson wasn't as aggressive by the time he was 35, but who would be as physically domninant as Larry was after 15 years in the league? You honstly think when Pronger is 35 he is going to be as physically dominant as Larry was in his prime? He's not at 31, let alone when he's 35.


As for Savard being half the player Nieds is; you don't play really close attention to Nieds, nor did you follow Savard closely I gather. That's ridiculous. If your idea of a dominant defenceman starts and ends with how quickly a player can carry the puck up the ice, Niedermayer and Coffey are two of the three greatest defencemen of all time. Folks that really know the game feel differently. There's a reason why Langway won Norris trophies while Coffey was outpointing him by close to 100 points each season BTW, and when it comes to offensive stats, Savard was very close to Nieds most seasons.

The only thing the leg injuries did was make Savard that much more effective in his own zone. He'd let Larry make the big rushes, and was rarely out of position. No; he wasn't as graceful as skater as he was at 22, but he was the best defensive defenceman of his era. As for him losing his offensive touch after the injury; again; you have a poor memory.

Serge's best offensive seasons were from 74-78, after his two broken legs. In 1974-75 Savard had 20 goals and 40 assists, his best offensive season. In Niedermayer's top offensive season, he had 63 points, and he can't touch Savard when it comes to play in his defensive zone - not even close.

So slightly better offensively, much prettier rushing the puck, about half as accomplished in hius own zone. You take the pretty skater - I'll take the results (and 8 Stanley cups).


Saying you'd take Pronger and Niedermayer as a pair over Savard/Robinson is a cruel joke, expecially considering they've never played a game together yet. Let's dismiss the four straight Cup and nine seasons Larry and Serge played together for the flavour of the month.

Comical really.

Sad to see us so quickly dismiss our former greats.
I think I touched a nerve...

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