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I've been going through old game reports and seen lots of stuff that isn't much like modern goaltending, so I thought I'd throw some out there.

References to goals rushing out to break up a play are fairly common. They could either take out the opposing attacker or clear the puck down the ice.

Goaltending seems at times much like modern defensive shot blocking. Reference to a young Jake Forbes being like Benedict when dropping to the ice nearly at the attackers feet sounds much like Beliveau talking about Goldham in the Fifties.

Goalies not being allowed to freeze the puck caused many a goal. If a goalie caught the puck he had to throw it away quickly. Just standing up to find out where the puck was could find it falling out of your equipment into the net.

Several times found reports on Tiny Thompson that sounded a lot like Hasek playing goal. Laying on his stomach and stopping a furry of pucks with his elbows.

Screening the goalies view was illegal, at least in 1931-32, and would result in a goal being disallowed.
Very accurate observations although a finer point could be added especially with specific dates. Key moment is the start of the forward pass era - 1929-30 season.

Since the forward pass option was not available goalies could attack the lead puck carrier since a back or side pass would be picked-up by trailing defensemen or defensive players.

You mention screening being illegal but deflections or re-directs were not viable either pre forward pass. Both could be viewed as screens and / or a illegal forward pass.

Constantly freezing the puck is a recent phenomena. Maybe last generation. Previously teams did not want defensive zone faceoffs since these facilitate SOGs for the opposition and your team was flat footed, starting from a standstill making it more difficult to exit the defensive zone. The basic idea was to play the puck to a defenseman in position for a transition pass out of the zone starting an odd man rush.

The Hasek/Thompson analogy is backwards. Hasek stood-out because he played like an O6 or pre 1980s goalie EXCEPT Hasek did not have the full range of skills that the old goalies had. He was poor at handling, directing and moving the puck, poor at communicating with his defensive skaters.

A few weeks ago you posted seminal/work in progress data about the 1930-31 NHL goalies. The SV% data was striking. Even pedestrian goalies were generating SV% numbers that project at or beyond Hasek's prime. Project these numbers balancing against GA and estimated SOGs at the 25-35 per game levels for the consolidation to Red Line era and the elite goalies during their primes easily matched or surpassed Hasek's prime. Allow the o6'70 game season goalies the luxury of a tandem that spared them 3 games in 4 hights or 4 games in 5 nights at times against opponents that had 3-6 days off and you would of had much higher SV% - see Jacques Plante's late career number with Toronto or St. Louis.

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