Goaltending discussion thread (edit: Markstrom called up)
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02-06-2013, 08:43 PM
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Miami, FL
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You need to relax. You're coming off very emotionally and you seem unhinged. Relax.
Dineen would say something where people can read between the lines. He's done it in the past. Too bad Clemmenson didn't suck last night. If you think he sucked, which you do, you do not understand goaltending or hockey.
emotional responses are provoked by patronizing comments like this one.
i've played goalie my entire life, at extremely competitive levels and have received proper training/coaching. i've forgotten more about the position that you could ever hope to learn.
Clemmer is a good backup, and he was top 30 in Save% and GAA last year for goalies who played a minimum of 20 games. The only reason you don't agree is because you're stubborn or ignorant to facts. That must make you mad how statistically you're wrong.
as i stated before - statistics can be deceiving, especially with the goaltending position.
i dont have time right now to go into details (i have to play a game at 9pm...AS A GOALIE
), but if you think Clemmer is a "good goalie" you're insane.
Drew Shore doesn't play goalie. He also has been playing in North America longer than Markstrom. It's an apples and oranges comparison. You can't compare a CENTER to a GOALIE. Goalies take longer to develop than D-men who take longer to develop than forwards. If you knew this you wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly about games played. As you would say, get a clue.
all you seem to do is spew the same 'ol garbage management/media says.
yes, if you stereotype, what you said may be true. but every player is different. these are individuals, they develop at different rates. markstrom has had THREE SEASONS and over 100 games to adapt to north america. that's plenty, especially for a guy of his supposed skillset. no one can disagree.
Good to see him hiding the shortcoming in AHL games. That's not the same as NHL play. It's a slower game with less skilled players.
Markstrom is an asset. You need to let him keep developing in the minors. We don't have a goaltending problem so you're creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Markstrom still needs work in the A. He's playing well now but we need to see stretches of high level play. He was rocky to start the season and playing well now. Lets see him keep playing well. Santos said he'll be up eventually but you can't make the argument that last night is the catalyst for him to come up.
We wont be a better team with Markstrom in net. We have sloppy play, poor decision making, and players sucking it up big time. We made the playoffs with Theo and Clemmer. Clemmer was 14-6-6! He got us points in 20/26 games. That's a good backup but I know you're stubborn or ignorant to facts.
Anyway, there are bigger issues than your simple minded kneejerk extremely emotional overreaction to a goalie giving up 2 goals in regulation. Like as MarkstromRules pointed out about waiving Clemmer and then we'd have to buy him out next year.
A lot of people disagree with you so you need to relax. You're not making a very solid argument as it is. You freaked out about Clemmer giving up two goals in regulation which some would very reasonably argue were not even his fault. If you want people to take you seriously, don't inject extremely emotional overreactions to discussions. Hope that helps.
i'm the one not making good arguments - yet all you do is spew conventional thinking and act as if it's the truth because it's popular opinion.
if you think this team isn't a better team with a markstrom-theodore tandem instead of a clemmensen-theodore tandem...(like you said) you don't even deserve to respond to any of this because you have no credibility on the subject.
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