Goaltending discussion thread (edit: Markstrom called up)
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02-08-2013, 07:11 PM
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Jason Garrison had 16 goals last year. Ask Vancouver fans if they think he's going to replicate that.
if the past was a guarantee of the future, the jobs of NHL coaches/GM's would be alot easier than it actually is.
Clemmensen did a fine job last year, and we got into the playoffs because if it. he wouldn't be the first mediocre goalie to have a good record, though. hell, brian elliot had a .940 save % last year - you think he's going to repeat that? how about mike smith and his .930 save %?
i assume, since you're so into stats, you think they're better goalies than Pekka Rinne? Kari Lehtonen? MAF? Luongo? Miller? Lundqivst? do i really need to keep going?
stats with goaltenders are deceiving.
there are so many unscientific variables that they cannot be taken for absolute truths. you keep rehashing the same old argument, yet anyone with an ounce of hockey knowledge can see this guy is a mediocre goalie, at best.
markstrom's better than mediocre. thus he improves our team. it's not complicated.
Stats are just one factor, a strong one, to consider when evaluating talent. That year those goalies were statistically better but over large sample sizes it's not close. Mike Smith was really good last year. Elliot too. This is the NHL, there are a lot of good players who when they get into grooves or hit their stride can produce at high levels. Look, I never said stats were the end all be all but it is very clear if you look at Clemmer's record and stats he is a good backup despite your feelings and emotions towards his play. Tallon disagrees with you. Santos disagrees with you. The coaching staff disagrees with you. And a lot of posters disagree with you. You act as if the past/track record has no value. It's bizarre. It means a lot. That's why GUYS LIKE MARKSTROM HAVE HYPE. His numbers in the Elitserien were awesome for a young guy. His play in the WJ too. People bring up stats for young guys and established guys all the time because it's completely relevant and is an important factor when evaluating talent.
Garrison is another one of your apples and oranges comparison. Most didn't think Garrison would match his production because defenses would cover his shot more. That's why his production slowed as the season went on. He's also valuable for his defense and puck moving ability, and offense. That's why he was a highly sought after free agent who signed a big contract. He wasn't signed only because he scored 16 goals.
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