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02-08-2013, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ogelthorpe View Post
AH...the stats argument again. Here is why the "stats" argument is not totally accurate. We all pretty much agree that Corey Perry is an elite winger. Now apply the "stats" argument that you use for goalies, and it proves all of us wrong. Corey Perry can't be elite because last year 38 wingers had better stats than Perry, including Kunitz, Radim Vrbata, Tomas Fleicshmann, and a bunch of others we consider no where near elite. So as you can see, strictly using this very flawed methodology, Corey Perry is far from elite.

Obviously Perry is elite. Fleury is not a stats goalie, but name on the cup, 2 finals appearances, #1 overall pick, NHL All-Star, member of Canadian Olympic team....yeah, that's pretty elite.
Who are the other elite goalies that aren't "stats goalies"? Surely if a guy can be elite without having the stats to back it up, there must be others like this besides Fleury right? Or is it more likely that a fan base is making excuses because they don't want to admit their 1st overall pick didn't quite pan out the way they hoped?

The last 5 Vezina winners' numbers:
.930
.928
.929
.933
.920

Fleury has been up in that range one time in his career and it was the year he only played 35 games. People can dismiss stats all they want, but clearly they mean something because the goalies who are actually awarded for being elite all have the numbers to show for it at the end of the year. And if you want to go by career numbers, Fleury is currently 21st among active goalies in save%. So are we now saying that the 20 guys ahead of him have all had the luxury of playing on defensively dominant teams their whole career?

As for Fleury having better numbers under Therrien's D-first system... not really. A .911 save% over that time. Not bad, but not great either. More proof that Fleury's struggles go back a lot further than the defensive issues of the last couple of seasons. These numbers don't point to Fleury being a bad goalie, simply an average NHL starter. There's nothing wrong with that, but his fans seem to get offended at the notion that not everyone thinks he's elite.


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