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02-09-2013, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DAChampion View Post
I think that for a player to define an era, he has to win cups in a leadership capacity, or at least come very close to winning it all the way Johan Cruyff (football player) did in 1976.

The regular seasons are played at a higher level than the playoffs, it's not the same game.
Hogwash. The 2nd or 3rd best dman of all-time played for a team that never won a cup in the 20 years he was there, but he was the only horse they had(Ray Bourque). He then won a cup on a stacked Avalanche team. One player can't win a cup. Even the greatest of all-time failed to do so outside of Edmonton when put on a team that wasn't very good. Gretzky turned the kings around almost immediately, but even he wasn't enough.

Would you say Bourque wasn't a generational talent if he hadn't been traded to Colorado at the end of his career? Jagr suffers from a European bias, if his name was Scott Smith, he'd be in the top 10.

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