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02-09-2013, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Estimated_Prophet View Post
Your analogy doesn't hold water in either football or hockey. No one player can actually win a championship in these sports.

If you want to use basketball as an example you would have a much stronger case.

The previous poster spelled this out very clearly with the Raymond Bourque example. A player is a generational talent based solely on his own performance.....not the performance of the rest of the team. There really wasn't any room for further debate after this example was given.
No player can win a championship but they can be an MVP and at the very least, come close.

Ray Bourque made the stanley cup finals in 1988 and 1990. He made the conference finals in 1991 and 1992. You make it sound like he was a playoff slouch and failure; he wasn't. Rules of thumb such as "player has to win a cup" are that, rules of thumb. Sometimes exceptions happen and you need to take a step back and think. Bourque is the exception here, not the rule. And though he never led his team to a championship, he did dominate very well at all levels and redefine his position. He is like Johann Cruyff.

But since you value the regular season so much, I suspect you consider Joe Thornton to be a generational player. Multiple trophies for individual achievement in the 82 game season, and a career that should break 1500 points.


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