HOH Top-40 Goalies Voter Record - Canadiens1958
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02-09-2013, 11:22 AM
Join Date: Nov 2007
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What? Are you kidding? You frame it as though Hasek couldn't tell when it was safe to use his stick to sweep the puck away. Hasek didn't always drop his stick to go for the puck,
he only did so in goal-mouth scrambles, where attempting to clear the puck by oneself is a risky proposition
This is becoming kind of ridiculous. You've asserted that Hasek's rebound control was significantly worse than that of his peers on this list without basis, and are now hedging that by arguing that even when he controlled his rebounds he did it wrong.
I remember that Hasek always received a fair bit of skepticism in the mid-90s for "playing the game wrong" but I find it a bit strange to see that people still hold that position given his results.
Again you are supporting my point(s).
Scrambles involve offensive and defensive skaters as well as goalies and result because the puck was not properly handled - either caught or cleared by the goalie creating a rebound to scramble for.
Defensive skaters do not drop the stick to play the puck with gloved hands. Poor technique that is inefficient and may draw a penalty or a penalty shot. Likewise for goalies, a penalty or penalty shot may result at the referees discretion.
As for results, two points.
Post Buffalo with a better team, Detroit, facing fewer SOG/G, Hasek's SV% ranged between .902 and .915, around league averages.
At the same age with vastly superior technique,weaker teams - St.Louis and Toronto, Jacques Plante was surpassing his prime SV% numbers with the Canadiens, nailing .940 and .944 SV%s at a time when the league average was in the .903 to . 907 range. Even on the downside of his career, Plante still manages a .907 vs a .896 league average.
Second point. Results and technique at some point have to translate into a teachable model. This is true for all the top 10 goalies on the final list
except Dominik Hasek.
The appreciation of vertical angles while unique to Hasek in the DPE did not originate with him. The appreciation of vertical angles in hockey and sports predates Hasek's birth. Common in pre 1980 hockey goalies and other sports - football, soccer, basketball, boxing, baseball, to name a few.
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