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02-10-2013, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hab View Post
No trade clauses...
Forgot about Pleks, wasn't sure about Gionta and Cole.
Thanks for reminder.

That's a lot of NO TRADE CLAUSES!!

Yup, and if those guys wouldn't be willing to be traded the point is moot. But its still worth discussing for now anyway.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
I didn't brush him aside, but he's one player that didn't even win the Conn Smythe, so as integral as he was, and I freely admit he was it's not a valid reason to tank. Especially when you consider he's basically had that one great year and has been a fairly average 1st liner since.
Dude, its not like anyone is suggesting that we TRY to finish last so we can get some specific player. What we're saying is that you deal vets for picks and prospects. Yeah, you'll probably fall in the standings but you don't worry about the short term.

And there's no denying that it worked for Carolina.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
I'll never understand why people think Kopitar is a tank pick. You don't tank to get the 11th overall pick. Isn't trading your 5th overall pick for a veteran the opposite of tanking? And besides you don't need to have a 5th overall pick to land a Mike Richards caliber player.
The Kings drafted 11th or higher 5 straight years and two picks were top five. It's a pattern of behavior there. 11th is kind of low for the rebuild pick you're right but you still have to finish outside the playoffs to get it. And the Kings had Doughty who was drafted 2nd overall. Even if you dismiss Kopitar there's no denying Doughty.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
The odds of drafting a Crosby and Malkin are infinitely lower than signing a Chara as UFA.
So what? The odds of drafting a superstar in the top five is infinitely higher than getting a superstar as a UFA. The superstar doesn't need to be Crosby-like.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
As for Chicago, you might get a Toews and Kane for sure but are you also going to get Keith in the 2nd round, and Seabrook with a mid 1st? What about Byfuglien, Brouwer, Hjarlmarsson with late round picks? Are you going to be able to trade scraps and get Sharp and Versteeg? What about Hossa aren't the odds against you signing him. You think all that is repeatable?
You can draft high and trade for propsects, that's repeatable. Not every pick will pan out but some will. You draft high and you get the superstars. Then you go from there.

At least you have young superstars to work with. Notice that we've never really drafted high and we've never really had superstars and... we haven't had cups.

In fact we were extremely lucky to have found Roy in the 2nd round back in the 80s. If we hadn't, we'd be looking at a 30+ year cup drought... as it is we're approaching 20 years without one.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
A couple of top picks and very little else isn't what I consider the best start. Having a team that is already consistently in the playoffs is better. If tomorrow the NHL tells Quebec City they are getting a team and you're in charge. They give you a choice, Phoenix's roster or starting an Expansion team which would you pick?
Why bother with this question though... I'd want neither one?

We're sitting here with some good young players/prospects and we have vets to deal with. We should take advantage of this. Nobody is suggesting we try to turn ourselves into an expansion team.
Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
It's not as black and white as that. By your logic if you don't think Plekanec will be around for the 2016-2020 window then you're saying he should be traded. How quickly/well does Galchenyuk develop if he no longer has sheltered minutes? Having veterans carry the load so that young players are put in positions to succeed is a good thing. So is having young players develop in a winning environment/culture.
Its nice to have a vet to learn from but its really not that necessary towards development. Yzerman, Sakic, Lemieux... legends of the game came into crappy teams with very little to shelter them and they played just fine.

We can keep Plecs for now but we don't need Markov, Gionta, Cole, Bourque.... some of these guys can and should be dealt.

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