Thread: Rosters and Ratings: NHL 13 player growth
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02-11-2013, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by n00bxQb View Post
The number of players over 90 OVR would be ridiculous, so no. Personally, I feel they should just get rid of the overall rating altogether and focus more on roles instead.

If they keep the OVR system, they need to tweak it for sure. For forwards, overall should weight it more on offense than it currently does (defensive awareness is the highest-weighted attribute for a forward's overall and stick checking isn't far behind) as well as balance it more for non-offensive attributes (too many attributes have no or minimal effect on OVR) and for dmen, it needs to be more balanced (overall relies almost exclusively on defensive awareness, stick checking, and strength). It's why you see all-star dmen like Brian Campbell and Erik Karlsson with such low overall ratings and "roles."

After they've tweaked it, it should be something along the lines of:

95-99 = Generational talent
90-94 = Superstar
85-89 = 1st line/top pair/elite goaltender
80-84 = 2nd line/2nd pair/starting goaltender
75-79 = 3rd line/3rd pair/backup goaltender
70-74 = 4th line/depth forward/depth dman/depth goaltender

This is almost what they have now when you start, but of course, it's nowhere like that several years in.

Right now, once you're a few seasons in, almost every 3.5 star or higher guy is 80 or higher, which is ludicrous given the number of 3.5 star guys. Even some of the 3-star guys are hitting 80 and up. So you end up with the same problem you had in years past, which is what they "tried" to get rid of this year; too many guys with similar overalls and not enough difference between the top tier guys and the bottom tier guys.

Player development is in need of some heavy tweaking, too. For one, you should be able to develop a player how you want to. I like how they've tied development to player type, but they should give you the option of changing the player type and development shouldn't stop at age 25. Players adapt their games all the time and the ones who don't often find themselves out of the NHL before they retire. Development, as is, is a complete train-wreck for the most part. Some attributes skyrocket, others barely change at all. There needs to be a better balance, but still a weighted system for various player types. And, one thing that definitely needs to go is tying stars to an overall range.
this is a very good post. I really like the role chart and last paragraph. but my biggest problem with development is there's no rhyme or reason. with the system I proposed I was trying to give an explanation on why your highly drafted players either bust or take 7 years to crack an nhl lineup. my examples probably weren't great so let my try again using your role chart. the percentage just shows how likely each individual is to reach that role, i.e. if they have a 35% in 2nd line player they have a good chance of being a 2nd line player

average top 10 pick- 1% generational talent, 4% superstar, 25% first line, 30% second line, 15% 3rd line 15% 4th line 10% bust chance
1st round pick- 2% superstar, 15% first line, 25% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 18% bust chance
2nd round pick- 1% superstar, 10% first line, 20% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 29% bust chance
3rd round pick- .5% superstar, 5% first line, 15% second line 25%third line, 20% fourth line 34.5% bust chance
4th round pick- .1% superstar, 1% first line, 5% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 43.9% bust chance
5th round pick- 0% superstar, .5% first line, 1% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 48.5% bust chance
6th round pick- 0% superstar, .1% first line, .5% second line 10%third line, 20% fourth line 69.4% bust chance
7th round pick- 0% superstar, 0% first line, .1% second line 5%third line, 20% fourth line 74.9% bust chance
these are averages so occasionally you would find late round picks that have small 1st line potentials that end up being gems. also I think the potential would have to change if someone has a big season. so if a 4th round prospect scores 30 goals he would receive a bump in his 1st line and 2nd line chances and lower his bust chances. do you think this is any better than my previous proposal?

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