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02-11-2013, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by veedubn1 View Post
Orr was coming back from a concussion and his fitness level and overall game were lacking.

I'm using TOI to show you that Colton was given roughly the same amount of minutes under Rotten Ronnie as he is now when he was healthy.

Direct quote from Carlyle:

If you disagree with what I'm saying then you're disagreeing with what Carlyle is saying. Given the comparable TOI undre Ron and Randy, it's my guess (just as it's your guess that they differ on how to use tough guys) that these coaches agreed on Colton Orr and what it would take for him to get back into the lineup.

Additionally, you're pointing to a single season under Ron when Colton was coming back from a serious injury... I showed you two where he played him every game he possibly could when he was healthy.

Ron had his faults... how he used his enforcers wasn't one of them. The team sucked last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, because of a dated system employed by a coach that was refusing to change. How he dispenses minutes to his tough guys had nothing to do with it.
Orr wasn't used prior to his concussion, he and Rosehill were thrown out there for a fight in the first and rarely saw the ice after the first period. Do you not see the fundamental difference in the way RC uses his tough guys to RW? Orr is on the ice in last min of periods, he gets rewarded with PP time. Tear your way away from the stats sheets and observe the differences in coaching techniques. Does RC not make a player feel better about themselves?

Just to clarify again, Orr gets credit for working his way back in the lineup, I never inferred he wasn't in better shape. It is well documented here he he lost weight and is quicker this year, but if you want to tell me that Ron Wilson used enforcers well last year, you didn't watch the same games I watched.

Everyone knows RC and RW coach vastly differently, the results speak for themselves, the Orr and Mclaren roles have been vital to this team's identity. Carlyle stated as much as saying before the year there will be a 4th energy line while he is coach, it's a vote of confidence to Orr, Brown, and Mclaren. Wilson had little usage for a 4th line, he accepted what Burke gave him and almost reluctantly used them. That's the biggest difference, if you are telling me a player plays better when they are treated this way, I don't know what to tell you?

So to recap, Orr got himself back after the concussion, he deserves credit there, being a backer of his all along I am not surprised, and also being a backer of his and tougher hockey, he was not used correctly last year, I have no problem with the way RW used Orr the first year he was here, but RW really went smurf hockey last year, and any Leafs fan that witnessed our games against Boston would agree.

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