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02-12-2013, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
An expected late first and a fringe NHLer who went undrafted a few seasons ago is no where near the value that Ryan had. If we traded Souray we could have gotten a 1st and either a young player who was thought of as better than Gorges or a good prospect (ie Someone who was recently drafted with a mid/late 1st and is considered on track)
Compared to the zero we got by keeping Sourray.

Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
And everytime you trade a good vet for younger players/picks you are pushing the window of opportunity further and further into the future with no guarantees that in the future that window of opportunity is better than you do right now.
It's not pushing anything back.

Right now, with this weak Habs team, we know with quasi-absolute certainty that we won't win the cup in 2013 or 2014. The next 1.5 years of Gionta does not increase our odds of winning, because multiplying any number by zero yields zero.

However, if we acquire young roster players and cap space and we move up from drafting 9th overall to 3rd overall by playing AHLers, we increase our odds for the 2015-2020 cup contention window.

Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
I've seen you in the past attribute the recent Detroit cups to Yzerman and the Detroit Dead things. If you go back far enough then all teams are rebuilds, if we win a cup anytime soon you will point out Galchenyuk, Price, and trading Rivet as proof that we rebuilt and therefore all cup winners are rebuilds.
Most people on these boards state the core as:

Price, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Subban;

3 of those 4 are rebuilding/tanking pieces, sort of in the case of Price. We would not have drafted Galchenyuk if Gauthier had kept Gill, Kostitsyn, and Cammalleri.

Some of us want to add one more piece, a Drouin-type player.

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