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Originally Posted by haburger
real fans show they re true colors when faced with adversity.you are a quitter.plain and simple.
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Don't let us catch you cheering for Alex Galchenyuk then. REAL fans don't cheer for top five picks right?
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Originally Posted by Carey Price
We have badly outdrafted Detroit the last 10 years. Post Datsyuk(1998) and Zetterberg(1999) their drafting is nothing above average.
Their front office had largely relied on Illitch's dollars to get big names and their pre 2000 drafting.
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Detroit got stupidlly lucky with Fedorov and Lidstrom. Everyone knew how good Fedorov was but nobody thought he'd play here. As for Lidstrom, the Flyers actually were going to draft him but took his teammate instead. If Detroit had known how good he was going to be they'd have taken him in the first round.
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Originally Posted by Carey Price
One aspect of the whole "tank" and "don't tank" debate is the impact it has on your players production/value and young player development.
1-If you have player X who is a decent player but has grown up in Columbus or NYI and player Y who played on cup winners in Detroit or Pittsburgh and they have exactly the sake skill. Who do you think will get more in return by trade? The Gill to Nash trade is a perfect example, if he had little to no playoff experience or success, I'm sure we never get a 2nd for Gill.
2-It's harder for any player to produce when playing under a losing culture, very hard mentally. Instead of having a productive asset all of a sudden you have a "salary dump" that you get nothing for.
3-by the same token it's harder for young players. Not just in the losing culture but having the pressure of having to "ressurect" the franchise instead of just developing into a good player as part of a winning team.
If "tanking" would guarantee you a Crosby and Malkin in 2 years, then success within 2-3 years, then everybody, even Brian Burke would do it. But it's not like that, For every Crosby or Malkin you have a lot of Hortons, Bouwmeester Halls Turris Alzner E.Johnson Staals etc who are very good but not superstars plus a few Filatov Barker Zherdev Pouliot who are basically top 5 busts.
In the cap world, it makes little sense to really"tank" like some are proposing. If you draft and develop well, use yout cap space wisely and manage your assets you can go from 12th to cup contender in 2 years if you have a pretty good base.
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If you draft consitently in the top five, it's hard not to draft at least one superstar and you'll probably draft more than one. Even if you land a Nathan Horton out of it, what's wrong with that?
The point of rebuilding is to deal for prospects and picks to accelerate the process. It's not just the draft picks that you get yourself that you build with.
As for it being harder on the prospects to produce without vets, it's not really true. We've gone over this before man. Tons of players have come into bad teams and done very well. There's benefit from mentoring from an Yzerman for sure but players can develop on their own. And it makes no sense to hold onto vets just to be mentors when there's young talent that you can go after. You build with the best talent that you can. That's the most important ingredient to rebuilding. Don't sacrifice talent at the expense of a nanny. Hal Gill can be a nanny, it doesn't have to be Andrei Markov.