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02-13-2013, 09:28 AM
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Ok, well I am known as the Peluso hater round these parts, so I'll chime in.
I have nothing against him. He is a member of the Winnipeg Jets and I hope he does well. Unfortunately, I view him as having a top end talent of a fighter, ala Kevin Westgarth, Colton Orr. I hate those players.
They are beyond useless, in fact hurt a team since you cannot play a 4 line attack. I want a team that is relentless on the attack, all 4 lines push the game and wear the opponent down. I do want a strategic area type team. I really think the Jets are going for what I want. And a goon ruins that since you cannot trust a goon to play in this role.
People here have argued I have written him off. I don't think that's true. I don't think it will happen, but hell I've been wrong before. Now the key to finding this out...giving him a chance to prove it. I am a big believer in putting people in places to succeed. That's how you do it. By the same token as putting Scheifele with Slater and Thorburn is not putting him in a position to succeed, how they treated Peluso tonight is not putting him in a place to succeed, IF you are hoping he becomes more than a goon.
Playing Peluso what, 4 shifts, does nothing but reinforce this image. Cutting down to 3 lines for the 2nd half of the game is the EXACT thing I am worried about. Either you give Peluso the chance to prove he can be more than a goon, or you get rid of him, IMO. No middle ground.
Peluso clearly had instructions to go after Rinaldo. It was his only goal all game. When he was on the ice trying to make plays he was ALL over the place trying to hard to prove he belongs, IMO. Maybe that's just nerves. But I think we all saw how weak his skating is (not strong on his skates, doesn't turn well, no quickness). But by benching him in the 2nd half all you have told him is that he has to be a goon to stay, IMO. All they've shown me and Peluso is that Noel trusts him solely as a goon.
In summary, either you play him and give his chance to succeed (if you truly think he can be more than a goon), or you cut ties. I want no part of Orr, Westgarth, McLaren or the rest of those clowns, let them skate around and do nothing. We have plenty of team toughness with Ladd, Stuart, Thorburn, Slater, Wright, Kane all as guys who will step up for their teammates, Antropov, Burmistrov, Byfuglien hell even Toby like to piss people off and rattle them, and there is just no reason to ever fight an Orr, the guy just helps us by being on the ice for opposition. Why handicap ourselves by employing his equivalent, IF that's how they are going to treat Peluso, as they did tonight.
I have never understood this waiver pickup from day 1. Goons are dead, and if he is going to be more like Jets management thinks, give him a chance to do THAT instead of being a goon, ala tonight.
And this is exactly what I can agree with. Every single bit of it. Though I disagree, I believe Peluso's mobility around the ice is just fine. It has been pretty well advertised that I was one who is more than open to seeing if Peluso can carve out a role on this team, one much like Rinaldo played against us last night. Ya, he's a little punk, but at the end of the day he's a tough player, can take care of himself, agitates the other team, basically you like him on your team but hate playing against him. That is what I want and hope(d) Peluso could be for us. An Asham, a Prust, etc. I agree top to bottom with you Holden, I do not want a goon either. In this day and age there really is no place for them - there we agree.
I am also, and always have been a believer in rolling 4 lines, I believe that is a must. If we've got a player that is detrimental to that, perhaps Peluso, and he then cuts the icetime of Slater and Wright, then that isn't going to work.
I still believe and hope Anthony Peluso can have a role on this team. A Rinaldo, Asham, Prust role. He can hit like a truck, he gets around the ice just fine in my opinion, but he needs to be worked with and carved into his proper role here. I'd say nearly "every tough guy" whether he can play or not will get those jitters and adrenalin that Peluso showed last night. They have finally "made it", but now their window is short, the pressure is on, and they think they have to do it all and prove their worth in their first 1-3 shifts. Tie Domi did it in his time. Dave Brown back in the day. Probert. Asham used to, perhaps even still does at times. Prust as well. It's just how these guys think, it's their DNA, but they can be worked with and groomed.
Chris Neil back when he began and was more than less just a 4th line guy like the above players. Sure Neil was a good junior and he has become a good 3rd line guy, but when he broke into the NHL he was looking for nothing more than to prove his toughness and goon it up. He hurt the Sens countless times. I'll say one thing, Peluso last night was Chris Neil when he entered the league 11-12 years ago as a young 20-something year old, 100% cut from the same cloth. Neil would run around, get out of position, take a bad penalty, try too hard, to what? To fight Tie Domi if he was on the opposing team. To fight Rob Ray. Chris Simon. Paul Laus. Matt Johnson. Gary Roberts. Shane Corson. If you could fight, Chris Neil was looking for you. He had 25 fights in his single rookie season.
If we can utilize Peluso, much like I believe we can and Holden mentions we'll need to if he will be worth a damn to this team and in this league, then fine. But if we simply use him as a goon and nothing more, and give him 2-5 minutes a night, then most certainly I believe he'll be useless.
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