Is Teemu Selanne a top 10 forward of all time?
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02-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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The only forward I would consider putting ahead of Selanne for 2nd place is Jagr. Does Forsberg's defensive play make up for the 17 games he didnt play? I dont think so. Lindros missed too many games to be put over Selanne. 79 in 52 is ridiculous but thats still 30 games missed.
The question is whether Selanne was a top-five forward, not whether his season was one of the five best.
There's a difference, and I believe you highlighted it.
It's like the people who maintained through Crosby's injury struggles the past few years that he is the best player. You can't have the best season if you play 20 or 40 games or maybe even 60 games, unless you're an otherwordly talent (which Crosby is not). But you can still be the best player.
The players I listed were clearly better than Selanne in 96-97. Let's look at what kind of scoring pace they would have to maintain to match Selanne's points and GP:
Kariya (99 in 69) would need 10 in 9.
Jagr (95 in 63) would need 14 in 15.
Lindros (79 in 52) would need 30 in 26.
Forsberg (86 in 65) would need 23 in 13.
Here's what their actual paces put them for in their specified GP:
Kariya 9GP, 14 points.
Jagr 15 GP, 23 points.
Lindros 27 GP, 40 points.
Forsberg 14 GP, 17 points.
So if those four all played 78 games as Selanne did continuing their paces, here's what the top ten (well, top eleven) scoring leaders look like:
At that point, Selanne is fifth in scoring. He's well behind Lemieux, Lindros, and Jagr so there's not a discussion there. He's also behind his teammate Kariya, so he probably loses that battle this season as the two were often viewed as equals and during Kariya's peak Kariya was considered the better player.
Which leaves it to be a "Forsberg vs. Selanne" argument for the last spot, and Forsberg was second in Selke voting (despite injury - maybe he wins if healthy?) while being very close to Selanne's offensive production.
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