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02-14-2013, 08:47 AM
Cory Trevor
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Originally Posted by JackSlater View Post
This makes no sense. You are basically implying that once you win, you can't win again. Canada only had two lines playing well in 2010, and was carried by three defencemen until Niedermayer emerged late in the tournament. Goaltending was in no way special. There is obviously much room for improvement.The small ice was beneficial in 2010, but I'm not convinced the home crowd helped. I doubt Canada sits back as much in the knockout games if they are playing in front of a non-Canadian crowd and not feeling tons of pressure from the whole country.

Keep in mind, Canada's best players in the last Olympics were the new guys like Weber, Doughty, Keith and Toews. Does that mean that it will happen this time? No, but it is ridiculous to suggest that Canada can only be worse due to missing out on some veterans types who weren't even valuable in the last tournament.

The USA team should be slightly more talented, but the reasons for their success in 2010 were gelling quickly and great goaltending, not really talent. There is no guarantee that they gel as quickly this time, and in fact it's unlikely. They also probably do not get goaltending as good as Miller provided in 2010.
Personally I see your point and agree with you about USA not getting better goaltending. I think that's quite a lofty and illogical goal however it would be nice.

In terms of value on the Canadian team, I guess my point was basically that the argument that better talent means a better team. Personally I think players like Iggy, Nieds and Pronger in that example were an important part. Iggy's was undeniable as his great assist for the game winner was spectacular. However I was merely pointing out that Canada is looking to challenge, they are looking to defend the Gold which to me, is much more difficult. Don't get me wrong though, I think Tavares, Stamkos, and the like are going to become amazing players in the next Olympics because at that point, they will be awesome veterans. Classy players that are young usually continue that trend. I guess what I'm saying here is we don't know what to expect out of them in Olympic hockey and they are both still pretty young. In 2018 and probably 2022 I think their chances are better.

Like you stated, there's always room for improvement but I LOATHE the argument that many Canadians(not necessarily yourself but...) argue that the last Canadian team wasn't very good or that they were undertalented. They won the freakin gold man so I hate that argument. I hated then and I hate it now. A team wins the gold and as far as I'm concerned they were the best team and for all intents and purposes shouldn't be give negative marks for winning the gold which was the point I was making.

I guess the real point here is unless Canada wins the gold again, there's no way you can say this next team will be better. You can't get better than that. You can be equal to or greater than but only if you win the Gold.

And I'm sorry if this is being construed as me trolling the Canadian thread. I just knew before that the Canadians were going to win the last Olympics when I saw the team Stevie Y put together. Maybe I'm just a bit jealous and really proud of my boys' finish last time. I'd love to see us play against each other again. Our matchups are either complete blowouts or I have a heart attack.

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