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02-17-2013, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BringBackStevens View Post
A new coach isn't going to mature the young core or get the impact players needed on the blue line.
no but it can get the guys that are on the team to play better. we've all seen this team play very well for short periods of time (10 minutes, a period or two even a whole 60 minutes once this season) so why aren't they out there doing it consistently. you can tell they aren't skating or going all out on every shift and this consistency problem has been here for a couple yrs now. all that would change with the right coach. a few better periods or a goal or two here and there as a result and he could easily be looking at a 8-7-1 record instead of a 6-9-1 which in this shortened season is a huge difference. If Lavy could get them to play with some fire or some semblance of constancy most wouldn't suggest he be fired even if the record was the same. Its the fact that he can't get his team to to play a full 60 minutes.

Originally Posted by Clown Baby View Post
Holmgren should be grateful that signing a 38-year old Jagr fresh out of the KHL didn't blow up in his ****ing face, given the risk involved. And that Hartnell, Giroux, Simmonds, and Talbot all had career years just out of the blue like that. And that Couturier and Read turned out to be the studs they were for this club when two years ago they were on literally no one's radar. I swear on Christ's bloody cross, if that idiot trades Giroux the same way he traded Gagne, Richards, Carter, etc. there's nothing that'll save his job because this mess... this has his finger prints all over it, and no one else's. Everyone is doing the most they can with what they can (which isn't that much).
i agree he got lucky in some regards but give him credit where credit is due. Jagr was still a very good player a few years ago in the NHL and he started a new off season work out regimen that let him produce in the 2nd best league in the world. It wasn't exactly a stretch to say he would be ok in the NHL. The team had confidence in Giroux getting better and i know i did too i just didn't expect him to toss up 93 points but 80 from the previous yrs 76 was more then reasonable. Read was just good scouting, that didn't have much to do with Holmgren imo just the Flyers scouts ability as a whole to recognize the potential in young two-way forwards. Couturier on the other hand you say was on nobodies radar two years ago? he was ranked to go 1st overall about that time, Homer got lucky that he fell so far nothing else. i will give you that we lucked out in that simmonds and talbot had career years. but anyway out of all that was said how did you get that Giroux is gonna be traded?

I also love how we have this young core that everyone was so excited about a year ago and now we're in a "mess". the team has a hole or two and in my opinion a coaching problem. everyone needs to calm down.

Originally Posted by JVR21 View Post
Do the Devils have top-end talent? Absolutely not. On paper, our roster is better than theirs. The difference is the play a system that works and the players are 100% behind the coach.
you could argue that we have the better line-up and more depth. i was just talking about this

Originally Posted by GoneFullHolmgren View Post

It's easier to fire a coach than to fix the myriad of comingled offensive and defensive issues that have plagued this hockey club. Snider is an impatient owner and Philly has an impatient fanbase. So it is fair game to start being concerned about how much more leeway Laviolette will be given to work out solutions.

The problems with this team arent all on Lavy. Holmgren should be sharing some of the heat for whats going on.
some, absolutely. a good portion should also be put on Snider if you wanna be fair as i think he's pressured Holmgren into making some moves in the past (trades and signings). but i still don't see a reason even with our injuries why this team shouldn't at least be playing with some passion and i think that comes down to the coach, fair or not it's his responsibility to get the guys to play like they are capable and he's not doing that.

Originally Posted by sa cyred View Post
Yea, so we fire Lavy, who we hiring? I can see them putting in Berube or Tocchet. Same team that loves "staying in the family"
i would like to see Tocchet take a shot at it. the team would surely play a full 60-minutes at the very least which is all i've asked for this entire season considering the injuries and holes in the line-up.

Originally Posted by flyershockey View Post
I really have a hard time blaming Lavy for the way this team has been playing. He's been given a roster that is the exact opposite of what he needs to succeed in his style. They have a relatively immobile defense that can't activate in the offensive zone and wingers that play smaller than he needs. Most of that falls on Homer. He knows who Lavy is and how he coaches. Lavy could adjust somewhat, but he certainly can't deviate too much from a plan that he's used in all three of his coaching positions in the NHL. Unfortunately, Lavy will probably be the first to go, but it should be Homer and then a new GM that can decide on Lavy's fate.
so change. now teams have to go out and get players to match their coaches playing style? a good coach when he has quality players, which the flyers do, can implement a system that will make the team successful. not only does lavy not change/adapt but his players are taking shifts off constantly.

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