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02-19-2013, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by billybudd View Post
This is precisely his point, though. Zetterberg's not Stamkos. Insofar as he could have been argued to have been among the top 5 or so forwards in the game, it would have been for a very, very short time, whereas many, if not most people would have had Stamkos as among that group for up to 3 years and counting.

As good as Zetterberg is, he's simply a different (lesser) class of player than Stamkos. Zetterberg might have had 90-ish points once or twice, but certainly isn't going to have 91 points in an off-year because he's just not that type of player.

Are you seeing where this is going?

Mario Lemieux played 20 games on a different line than Crosby (badly, I might add), then retired due to a heart condition that was the cause of his poor play.

Crosby=Andy Hilbert, Thomas Surovy, Eric Christensen, Colby Armstrong, an old Marc Recchi and Marian Hossa (for, I think, 1-ish regular season game). In other words, 3 minor leaguers, a bum, an over-the-hill, undersized guy in the twilight of a hall of fame career (though his twilight was long) and the then-best right wing in the NHL (for 15 or so regular season minutes).

Malkin=Michel Ouellet (who?), Maxim Talbot, Ruslan Fedotenko, Ryan Malone and Peter Sykora. 2 grinders, an emerging power forward and an over-the-hill sniper.

Ovechkin's=Chris Clarke, Jeff Halpern, Matt Bradley, Ben Clymer and Dainus Zubrus, Backstrom (OVs third year NB was a rookie) and an ancient Mike Knuble. In other words, 4 pluggers, a journeyman, one season of one 4th overall pick and a beaten down net-front presence who had no legs.

Stamkos=St Louis first two big years, then Purcell, Downie and Malone without missing a beat production-wise. A very elite forward, two journeymen and (by the time he was put with Stamkos) a banged up powerforward.

Giroux=Asham, Powe (1st season); 2nd on it was some combination of Leino, Richards, JVR, Gagne, Hartnell Jagr. 2 4th liners, a top 6 bum, a 2nd overall pick, 3 all stars and an old legend.

In order of worst to best linemates in their first 3 or 4 full-ish seasons, we have


By 09/10, the "third wheel" on Giroux's line was better than anybody any of the other 4 guys have been accustomed to in the same role, which persisted until this present season.

So no, the argument that Giroux didn't get going as fast as those three because he was gimped on linemates in comparison to them doesn't fly. The argument that he didn't get going as fast because he's not one of them makes a lot more sense.

This is why it's more reasonable to compare him to Zetterberg. Maybe once in a blue moon he might sniff at 90, but you'll lose less money if you bet something in the 70s. Throwing him in with the (Malkin/Stamkos/Crosby sucked last year...he only had 87/91/102 points) crowd is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

That people like yourself, Peter Laviolette or this Sasso character mention Giroux's name in the same breath with your Malkins/Stamkos/Crosbys creates exactly the sort of unreasonable expectations that make outsiders think Giroux's dogging it or unready for leadership when he's not on pace for the type of numbers those guys are assumed to produce each and every year.

The perception that CG shouldn't be a captain or is playing lazy is, in my opinion, completely false. Far as I'm concerned, Giroux's wearing the captaincy just fine and doing the best he can with what he's got to work with this year.

But that's probably because I've never locked him in the treehouse with the rest of the "Hart/Rockey/Ross trophy or he sucked that year" club (Crosby, Stamkos, OV, Malkin).

He's a first line forward. He's just not them. It's unfair to put him on the pedestal they sit because he'll look awful grimy in comparison, when all is said and done.

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