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02-22-2013, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
I'm pretty sure you are agreeing with him, read his post again.
Sleep deprivation is bad for braining.

Originally Posted by vadim sharifijanov View Post
goring was a really good player, but spent most of his prime as an extremely productive second line center behind an MVP/scoring champ-calibre #1 (dionne, then trots). on different team, i don't know that he's a hall of famer, but could he have been some other, less star-heavy team's brian propp or nifty middleton?

as a second line center, he finished 12th in points twice-- part of that was probably boosted by playing with dionne on the PP, and those were his best PP years, but he was also taking on heavy defensive assignments, PK time, and probably didn't get nearly the prime offensive icetime that dionne's line did.
And here's the really big question; how does Goring compare to Messier? Thinking about it critically. What if Gretzky's never traded, and Messier stays in Edmonton with him for the length of their careers. No 1990 or 1992 Harts for Messier.

Goring was basically a slightly less talented Messier who never had the opportunity to break out as a 1C.

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