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02-23-2013, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
Honour Over Glory
Let's play a game, I'll give you a scenario of a potential UFA player, you tell me what he would fetch you, ok?
has 19 goals, 22 assists for 41 points in 61 games before his eventual trade and is a potential UFA, prior to this season he put up 23 goals, 38 assists and 61 points (and consider the fact that he basically scored 20 or more goals in the 3yrs prior). He's 29yrs old.
What do you think his return would be in a trade?
Curious to see your response, then I will show you what really happened. That's the problem people have, they live in this fantasy land where you run fantasy leagues, play video games, etc, it skews your views on what value really is and what a team is realistically going to give up.
It's late here and I don't care to do the research. I have no idea who that player was or to which team he was traded or from (which is pertinent information).
I'm not living in a fantasy hockey world. I'm living in a world where GM's overpay for otherwise mediocre players on a regular basis. Maybe this isn't your GM but again, nowhere in my post was I holding your organization's feet to the fire. I don't care if Ryder is traded and I certainly don't care if he's a Penguin in a few months' time.
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I'm not interested in paying a 1st-round pick for someone like Ryder. It's nothing personal, and I don't disagree with the overall sentiment of your post. The Penguins should be willing to go all out to win cups in the CONCUSSION ERA.
That said, you have to spend wisely. I think that 1st, or those shiny D Prospects, would be better spent on players better - or under control longer than - Ryder.
I also think there's some miscommunication on just what these players being thrown around are. Specifically Dumoulin and Morrow. While the Penguins fans may be overvaluing them, to us, they are two nearly NHL ready guys and at least one, perhaps two, of them will be in the NHL full time next year. And both within 2 years.
Both of these guys will fill holes and come in at a price that allows the Pens to continue to employ players like Crosby and Malkin at $8.7MM cap hits. They
be traded, but
Just wanted to underline something
I never mentioned 1st round picks anywhere in my post.
I don't expect Ryder to net any of the Pens' top flight defense prospects. And I don't expect your GM to trade a 1st for him. What I was doing was outlining your team's outlook from an outsider's perspective, as a fan of a team who hasn't had a dog in the playoff race in quite some time.
The Pens develop D-men very well. They don't bring along forwards with the same results. If you wish to disagree show me the evidence.
The entire point of my post was to say that basically, our two teams are not good trading partners on this particular player given your GM's desire to pay low dollar for lower level scorers and our team's desire to make the playoffs. Ryder isn't going to be traded just for the sake of it, he'll be traded if there's an offer that makes our GM
to move him.
I'm not living in a fantasy world. Whoever thinks a player half a season removed from a 35 goal season returning only a 2nd round pick is the one living in a fantasy world. Good luck with whatever washed up 35+ year old you guys pick up for pennies on the dollar.
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