Butch Goring: if Elias gets in HHOF, so should he.
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02-23-2013, 02:27 PM
Join Date: Aug 2006
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1986 Habs you have there, possibly. Roy was #1. Maybe Robinson is #2. Or Naslund. But this wasn't really a team that strung together great seasons. They were kind of a default team that won when the Oilers screwed up. They weren't a team with the string of success like the Devils. I'm not sure about the 1960s Leafs though. My top 4 on that dynasty is probably in no particular order Keon, Mahovlich, Horton, Bower. I don't think that both of Keon and Mahovlich are behind Horton and Bower.
Anyway, the issue I have with Elias isn't just this but in comparison to his peers he falls behind greatly in the PPG issue. Let's compare him to two other guys that get brought up a lot with him.
Alfredsson - 0.95
Hossa - 0.92
Elias - 0.86
not too far behind
Hejduk - 0.80
Now, even in the dead puck era the best stars were averaging more or less a point a game. Modano, Sundin, etc. Alfredsson is the closest one here of the three and he has some warts. Elias was fine defensively but so are Alfie and Hossa who pride themselves in a great two-way game. No advantage there. Does his playoff resume make up for it that much?
Lecavalier has a career 0.85 PPG. Players like Gaborik (0.89) or Richards (0.91) are ahead of him in that category too. Datsyuk (0.98) and Zetterberg (0.94) are ahead of him. This is just one mere stat mind you, but it is an example of something that Elias falls behind in. In reality can we say that Elias has had a career better than Brad Richards? Both of their careers overlapped each others. I honestly can't say that Elias has had the better career. It's close and as it stands right now I don't like the idea of Richards in the HHOF.
So that's just an example out there of the players that are very similar to Elias career wise if not already ahead of him.
Would he not open the door for others?
Honestly, the modern player in a situation most similar to Elias is Adam Foote - Foote was the defensive cornerstone of the third or fourth best team of the era (depending on if you include the Penguins as "of the era"). But I think Elias is clearly a step up from Foote - better peak, and more team success. Also, Foote was also overshadowed by Bourque and Blake for a time, while Elias was never really overshadowed by another forward on NJ until he was in his mid 30s, but by then, the team was on the decline. Elias was the clearcut best forward on the team (no matter what you try to claim otherwise) when they went to 3 finals in 4 years. Also, it's tougher for defensemen to get in anyway.
So no, I don't think inducting Elias would open the door for anyone - he would get in for the same reason guys like Steve Shutt, Glenn Anderson, and Joe Nieuwendyk got in - contributions to winning teams.
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