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02-23-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Malkin4Top6Wingerz View Post
When you say targeting their star players, do you mean with clean or dirty hits? We should already be doing the former, and I disagree with the latter route. I don't think Matt Cooke made this team any safer when he was running around throwing dirty hits, do you? And god forbid if in response to a questionable hit on a guy like Bortuzzo we injure Giroux and prompt Philly or whoever else is involved to retaliate further.

Dirty plays on Crosby and Malkin haven't exactly been rampant. You could argue that none of Crosby's concussions were a result of a particularly dirty or malicious hit, and I guarantee that Malkin throws more elbows than he recieves.

It's more than a stretch to imply that Geno's goalscoring slump has anything to do with our team toughness when he notched 50 last season and won MVP with the same roster. As for Rinaldo, you can't stop an idiot like that. The only reason he is in the game is to piss the other team off and he knows it. If somebody told him that they'll take out Giroux's knee if he slashes Letang again he'd probably respond by threatening to take Crosby's head off. Do you really want to open up that can of worms?

Detroit mostly just had guys who would facewash you in a scrum aside from McCarty, and Engelland is just as tough as he is. Detroit certainly didn't go around trying to injure other teams players when one of their stars was targeted either and they did just fine.

Regardless of how we feel, I'm betting that our reputation with other teams is just that - a gritty bunch of guys who are willing to defend each other. We're just a self-conscious bunch.
You make some good points. However, and I'll start w/ your last statement, how do you see any indication of grit or defending each other on this team? I just posted about 7 examples off the top of my head from the last year that is proof to the contrary.

Clean or dirty, we certainly aren't doing either lately are we? Everyone was complaining about our retaliatory penalties against Philly right? In games like that, against division rivals, we should be initiating the physical play (cleanly), not feebly responding to it. And if teams want to play dirty, you can't just bend over and take it.

Yeah, guys like Rinaldo are idiots. But if he's directly responsible for Giroux getting injured, he isn't going to be a part of that team for long. I never liked Matt Cooke to begin with honestly, and having a guy like that on your team (I'm talking past Matt Cooke, not present) requires you to have some very tough guys, cause chances are games may get out of hand because of his antics.

You're right, you could argue that none of their concussions were the result of dirty plays. You can also point to a lot of dirty plays against them where they escaped injury. Just because they dodged the elbows and slashes, just because Fleury doesn't sprain a knee getting run, etc doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.

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