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02-26-2013, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bender View Post
I don't necessarily agree. This makes it sound like he's got average talent and creativity and 90% of his points are because of hard work. I personally don't believe that's the case at all.

I remember watching him his draft year and I was really impressed with him and put him in my top 30 (24th). This wasn't because of hard work but because of overall hockey smarts.

This is the same as applying this 'everyone has a ceiling' theory to Zdeno Chara back in 2001-02 and basically saying, he just doesn't have the offense to be a top pairing guy.

1999-00 New York Islanders NHL 65gp 2g 9a 11pts
2000-01 New York Islanders NHL 82gp 2g 7a 9pts
2001-02 Ottawa Senators NHL 75gp 10g 13a 23pts
2002-03 Ottawa Senators NHL 74gp 9g 30a 39pts
2003-04 Ottawa Senators NHL 79gp 16g 25a 41pts
2004-05 Farjestads BK Karlstad SEL 33gp 10g 15a 25pts
2005-06 Ottawa Senators NHL 71gp 16g 27a 43pts
2006-07 Boston Bruins NHL 80gp 11g 32a 43pts
2007-08 Boston Bruins NHL 77gp 17g 34a 51pts
2008-09 Boston Bruins NHL 80gp 19g 31a 50pts
2009-10 Boston Bruins NHL 80gp 7g 37a 44pts
2010-11 Boston Bruins NHL 81gp 14g 30a 44pts
2011-12 Boston Bruins NHL 79gp 12g 40a 52pts
2012-13 Boston Bruins NHL 15gp 3g 5a 8pts

Everyone would have agreed with you on Chara back then too.
you're missing the point i was making. he's got great grit,hustle,work ethic. he grinds and does all the little things you want.
but he has yet to really ascend to that next level of the contract that he is seeking.
there is no comparison to him and Chara, different player, different style, different frame and D men take longer to develop.

he is not as naturally talented as Duchene,Lando or even EJ.
he's got a bunch of top qualities and he'll never get outworked.
but to justify the demands he's making it requires him to start playing at a future franchise super star level. he's not that, his developmental curve doesn't show him as becoming that either.
now if he were to come out next season and put up 25 goals, 50 assists and have a huge defensive year then yeah he is clearly on that track.
he has yet to flash the superstar potential his demands require is what i was getting at. now saying he's not talented, just that his talents and current production don't warrant his demands.

look at Benn from the Stars(not comparing styles, just seasons and potential contract value). 3 20 goal seasons, 40 pts, 50 pts, 60 pts. flashed superstar potential and got rewarded with the contract. 14 pts in 14 games this season.
ROR doesn't have a single 20 goal season to his credit as of yet, but he wants 5 mil a year to eat into UFA time? come on now.

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