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02-26-2013, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by quoipourquoi View Post
But only for Yzerman, that way you could get away with saying he would have 4 Art Ross Trophies and two runner-up finishes if:

1. Gretzky and Lemieux didn't exist
2. Yzerman was healthy and no one else was
3. Yzerman was abnormally consistent, with his peaks of 155 and 137 points being spread out to turn seasons of 82/102/103/108/127 points into uniform 129 point seasons

Do you not see how far you've strayed from reality? Without Gretzky and Lemieux, Yzerman wins one Art Ross. Just one. Not four. His points-per-game finishes are as follows: 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9. His points finishes are: 3, 3, 4, 7, 7, 12, 34. And you're trying to give him an Art Ross in the year where he finished 34th.
Here's a better way of trying to show what I wanted to:

From 1987-88 to 1993-94:

1. Lemieux 2.25
2. Gretzky 1.90
3. Yzerman 1.55
4. LaFontaine 1.37
5. Oates 1.37
6. Messier 1.33
7. Hull 1.31
8. Robitaille 1.28
9. Gilmour 1.23
10. Recchi 1.23
11. Sakic 1.22
12. Coffey 1.22
13. Hawerchuk 1.21
14. Neely 1.20
15. Nicholls 1.20
16. Fedorov 1.19

Yzerman is as close to Gretzky as Gretzky is to Lemieux (0.35). Yzerman at 3rd is as far ahead (0.18) of 4th place (LaFontaine) as he is ahead of 16th place (Fedorov). Only Gilmour and Fedorov from the top 16 were better defensive forwards than Yzerman during this period of Yzerman's career; most listed were well behind him in that area as well.

So a some have put it on HFboards, Yzerman was by far the best "mortal" forward during his prime. Sakic cannot make the same claim. Many would argue that Sakic wasn't even the best forward on his team during his prime.

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