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02-28-2013, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Foppa2118 View Post
If they don't bring it in they'll never have it, That's what they'll need now, in the future, and to the end of time. They need this kind of player, and it's much tougher to find this player as a UFA or in the draft, than a good two way guy.



Again though you're backing away from your original concerns over a player not reaching their hyped potential. The same argument you made in regards to Trouba, the player we're talking about.

You're actually being more generous with MDZ's defensive game than I am. Quincey was fairly good defensively in his tenure with the Avs for the most part, and formed the best pairing with EJ he's ever had here. Why would you not want that with 40-45 points? And this is assuming the 22 year old MDZ doesn't continue to develop in a positive way like we're assuming Trouba will.

It's not fair to make that assumption of one, and not the other. Especially when Rangers fans compliment him on continually improving his overal game since his first year.



Bringing in a two way defensive prospect and leaving the responsibility of fixing the Avs scoring troubles on the shoulders of two more prospects is a terrible idea IMO. They are playing better, and hopefully will continue to work on their overall game, but I don't see it getting to a level where it's a strength of theirs in the NHL. Most likely it will be at MDZ's level right now, or perhaps a little better at best. Not a strength, but not a huge burden.

Plus MDZ brings a physical element, and a nasty element that will suit him better for dealing with top line players. It's much smarter IMO to bring in that piece they need, and if Barrie and Elliott turn out great, then even better. Relying on them doing that alone is a mistake.



Yes, I think he would help the PP enormously. He's very good at getting a hard slapper off quickly and accurately, and jumps into the play very well with some good finishing moves. Barrie's getting better, but he's not at that level yet.

PP rankings don't define a PP player. It defines how it's working as a group. Plenty of good PP players in history have been on teams struggling on the PP.
Alright, I'm done with this. You bring good points but we'll see 3-4 years from now, WHO would have been better for this team, MDZ or Trouba. (We'll probably see neither in an Avs jersey anyways)

Wait one more thing...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1334217

Some highlights from this thread:
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Originally Posted by wr50l View Post
Great game last night, but prior to that a patchy start.

Very poor with the puck in his own defensive zone particularly around the end boards in our first few games, missed defensive assignments too. Fowards partly responsible for the horrendous breakout play but DZ shoulders some blame too.

Still has the capability to hit the long pass better than most, still can't shoot, always brings effort and plays tough, but doesn't always have enough concentration.

I'm certainly not 'eating crow' although I was never overly critical of Del Zotto in the first place. I look forward to seeing him continue his upward development trend as he approaches the 23-24 age range.
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Originally Posted by aemoreira1981 View Post
Last season made me like MDZ a lot more. As for this season, his demand that a contract get done so that he could play makes me see him as a team-first guy, especially for a team with such a young blueline as the Rangers. Del Zotto could easily be a 2 or 3 on another team, but the Rangers' defense is that good.

That said, I still see MDZ as a second-pair D-man and PP quarterback.
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Originally Posted by Drewbackatu View Post
Realistically speaking, Del Zotto has been, is and probably will always be an average defensive defenseman with really good passing skills and a very good all around offensive game. Staal? He has just about maxed out his potential as a solid defensive defenseman with fairly good offensive skills.

Next time a big bodied forward is out in front of the net with MDZ and Staal defending, let me know what you see without the "rose colored glasses" on!
Sounds like Liles to me except he's bigger.

That's actually a thread where they start out LOVING MDZ and then are pissed because he goes into a slump. Then they go on to discuss the RoR rumors in which they think EJ or Barrie is going to be included. LOL talk about NOT knowing ANYTHING about RoR!!


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