Metro Seattle: NHL, NBA and Arena - Part VI
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02-28-2013, 05:13 PM
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auburn, Maine
Originally Posted by
No Fun Shogun
Uh.... first of all, comparing the Wolves with the Moose doesn't make sense, as TNSE had to move the team as they wanted to bring an NHL team into their market and they didn't think Winnipeg was large enough to support both teams. Not the case for a group wanting to bring an NHL team in Seattle and keep an AHL team in Chicago.
Second, there are no rules against owning multiple teams in different leagues. Don't know how many teams have it that way, but right off the top of my head I can tell you that the same person owns both the St. Louis Blues and the Peoria Rivermen. And there's another very relevant example of a NHL team also owning their affiliate, which leads to....
Third, TNSE still owns the IceCaps. They're just leasing the team to the Newfoundland group.
And fourth, and most important, it's a moot point entirely, as the Wolves are one of the biggest draws and most profitable teams in the AHL. There's zero point to sell a team like the Wolves unless you're just no longer interested in owning an AHL team. If they do, then they could easily gain affiliation with the Wolves, and the profits from that would likely more than make up for whatever momentary (and relatively minimal) economic hit the new ownership would take by changing affiliation early.
Assuming that they move this offseason to Seattle, that is. All just an exercise in futility if they move anywhere else or stand put.
yeah, there are rules against multiple team ownership, NFS, SEE the expansion to 27 in 2001, the Devos and Van Andel ownership (which is where the GR arena name comes from), owned 3 teams in the IHL, (KC, Orlando, and GR), but according to AHL bylaws, you can only own/operate 1 franchise.... which is why Grand Rapids was accepted and the other 2, were not. Orlando, then was merged w/ Chicago after the 2 played in the final Turner Cup, as part of another bylaw, that all AHL franchises also had to have NHL Affiliations, of which Orlando had Atlanta (now WPG). THE Franchise known as the Solar Bears that is in the ECHL is not owned by the same group who owned the original franchise, although they do play in Devos' AMWAY Center in Orlando....
as for TNSE, there were questions before Williams got involved to bring them to St. John's, but that's why that option should TNSE elect to, they could've sold it outright within 3 years, not because the Jets v2, BECAME the primary tenant @ MTSC.
as for your Worcester example, the AHL HAS that same bylaw if an owner is approached by another group in the same league, as Roy Boe was in Bridgeport, he was forced to sell the Ice Cats outright to the Blues well before the Peoria option even happened and the current Blues owner didn't buy both until the owner who enticed the Blues to relocate the Ice Cats sold his stake in the Rivermen (Bruce Saurs).
The point is, if Levin moves up, he's already bought out the other owners when he bought into the Wolves, that's why you're hearing that option regardless of whether the Wolves are successful, because similar to Chipman, you're going to need someone to operate the Wolves in Rosemont, if Levin becomes a member of the NHL, whether or not he gets the Coyotes, and aligns them w/ Hansen in Seattle.
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