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03-01-2013, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by uiCk View Post
dunno how much trashing they do, but to me its just case of WSH having sub par management, in terms of icing a competitive team.
The fact of the matter is that only one GM in the entire league was interested in Semin, and he was barely interested. That is anomalous... it shows that Washington destroys the reputation of Russians.

Anyhow, let us look at two analogies to what it would cost to acquire Ovechkin: Jagr and Thornton.

Jaromir Jagr was not performing with Washington and had a massive cap hit. They traded him for a bag of pucks (Anson Carter), and on top of that they agreed to pay 4 million in annual salary. Jagr went on to a 123 point season, is still playing competitive hockey at a top-6 level 9 years later, and Washington went on to build a legitimate contender which they were not going to do with Jagr. A good trade for both teams. The equivalent here would be the Habs offering a 2nd round draft pick and taking on all the salary.

Joe Thornton was not performing well enough for the Bruins. They were sucking. So he was traded to San Jose for Sturm, Stuart, and something else. Bruins went on to use the cap space on Chara and Savard, they drafted Kessel and Hamill as they recovered from the loss, and went on to win a cup. San Jose relied on Thornton to be one of the greatest regular season teams of recent decades. Good trade for both teams. The equivalent here would be the Habs offering Diaz, Bourque, and Leblanc.

No, let's look at another kind of trade. The trade you have in mind when you say the Habs would need to sell the farm to get Ovechkin. Let's look at the Lecavalier trade to the Habs that never happened, because it is an instructive example in GM mechanics.

The Lightning had an underachieving high-talent player signed to a high salary for the next 10 years or so. The Habs wanted him. The rumoured trade was Lecavalier for Subban, Plekanec, Gorges, Higgins and three 1st rounders (I think 2009, 2011, and 2013). The trade discussions were so advanced that we all heard about it. One possibility is that the Lightning said no because they wanted more, in which case they are idiots. Another possibility is that Gainey said no, but barely, in which case the Lightning management are idiots for not halving their demands. In hindsight, Plekanec alone or Subban alone would be worth Lecavalier. If Lightning management had done that trade or close to it, they would be dominating the Eastern Conference.

I don't know (and neither do you) if Washington's management has the foresight and wisdom that the management of Boston and old Washington did. They can build a future contender around Kuznetsov, Green, Backstrom, Forsberg, Carlson, Alzner, a 2013 top-5 pick, and 9 million in cap space (that is 8 fantastic pieces), which they won't be able to do if they keep the elephant in the room, in the room, where he's not happy. In which case Ovechkin is available and the Habs should bid to reasonable limits. However, Washington's management might also be idiotic and demand Pacioretty, Eller, Subban, Tinordi, and a couple 1st rounders for Ovechkin. In which case Habs management has a simple solution: Just say "No" and move on.

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