Fedorov vs. Selanne
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03-15-2013, 11:46 PM
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The issue seems to be that we are ranking players differently. I try to rank a player by how he contributes to team success or makes his team better, because helping your team win is the point of hockey after all. And I care a lot that Fedorov was always there playing amazing hockey when the Red Wings needed him, and I care a lot less that when the games didn't matter so much (as they didn't really when the Red Wings were a stacked team), he coasted. It's kind of like the Oilers who didn't bother playing defense in the regular season because they didn't need to.
Well, there's some truth to that point-of-view, no doubt. But at some point, you've got to put up or shut up, and if people want to put Fedorov in a category with the Sakics, Yzermans, Messiers. . .well, IMO, he has to do more than just skate really well.
If you can find me a large number of people who think that Alex Tanguay was one of the best players in the league and one of the best playoff performers of his era, then we can talk about him as a comparable to Fedorov
We're getting off topic now; this line of questioning started with a comment about someone else's post. But I still want someone to tell me why Fedorov is a top-four player of the DPE that doesn't boil down to, 'well, I watched him and wow was he good'. I mean, I actually do give the 'eye-test' a lot of credence but if you want to say a guy is as good as someone who's consistently trouncing him by 40 points, you need at least be able to add
He was 34 when he left Detroit and had to adjust to a new team and system. Some players can do it, Feds obviously didn't.
Honestly, not trying to be sarcastic here but. . . how many excuses does this guy get??? So far we have: linemates, system, attention to defence, regular season laziness, can't adjust to a new system. . .
Selanne definitely was better from age 35+ Anyway, I don't think its a coincidence that Feds had his best season since the mid 90s in 2002-03 when Yzerman missed most of the season.
It wasn't just Selanne who was better than Fedorov at 34. All the guys who were also outperforming him at 30, 31, 32, and on were, too.
Overrated by who? And I'll rephrase my question another way -
Can you name any players who were better playoff performers than Fedorov between the 1995 and 2005 lockouts?
Is that what you said the first time? I read it as, 'what Red Wing was better'. Sorry.
Just off the top of my head, then. . . Sakic, Forsberg, Jagr. Easily.
Yeah, that's why judging players by their cumulative playoff stats is can be pretty misleading, and judging them by their per-game playoffs stats can be downright awful. Who cares that Lindros beat up on the weaker Eastern Conference in the early rounds before getting smoked in the finals?
So we can toss out Fedorov's 1995 run as a 'great' playoff run then, right? And, by that logic, I guess 1996 could also potentially be on the chopping board?
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