Greater dynasty: Gretzky's Oilers vs Trottier's Islanders
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03-16-2013, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Let me put it this way. 1980-83 Islanders dynasty is superior to the 1984-88 Oilers dynasty. 4 straight cups over 4 in 5. End of story.
In a nut shell, simple math makes weighing simple for simpletons. It makes absolutely no difference to you how different the paths of either teams were through the playoffs; just matching Cups to counting fingers. And that's fine, but realize that there's a whole lot of the story left for you to discover before you get to "the end".
1985/86 Calgary Flames, with 3 Hall of Famers (MacDonald, MacInnis, Mullen), surrounded by Suter, Loob, Otto, Peplinski, Risebrough, Macoun, Tonelli, and two former 1st round picks coming into their own in Quinn and Reinhart, back by Vernon and Lemelin. Yeah, they weren't a team Edmonton should have expected to coast through. Many names ended up carved on the Stanley Cup three years later in '89 with Calgary.
But they were also a damn sight better than the '81/82 Rangers that the Islanders played at the "equivalent" point in the dynasty building - led by such marquee names as Ftorek, Maloney, Ruotsalainen, Johnstone, McClanahan, Leinonen, Beck, Laidlaw, Vadnais, etc (no HoFers - not even marginal ones - on the entire squad, to my knowledge) and backed by the great John Davidson, Steve Weeks, and Eddie Mio...
I mean... come on now. The fact that the same Edmonton squad came back and won back to backs again, and seemed poised to keep winning them as long as Gretzky was on the roster - proving strong enough without him to win another one almost immediately, regardless - has to mean at least as much as whatever weight you put on that blip on the radar when all things are considered. And, on top of that, of course, is all this:
Originally Posted by
Actually it's exactly the same since it works out to 4 Cups in 5 years for both of them. To say that the Edmonton Oilers weren't a great playoff team, or that they couldn't perform with their backs to the wall is nonsense.
They made 6 Finals in 8 years. They had 5 Cups in 7 years, and the two losses came in 1986 after Steve Smith scored on their own net, and in 1989 when their best player was on the other team and helped turn what should have been a 4-0 sweep for the Gretzky Oilers into a Game 7 comeback from a 3-1 deficit.
Wayne Gretzky's Oilers would have kept winning. The only reason the OP can define the Gretzky Oilers dynasty as 1984-88 is because he was traded, not because they stopped winning.
Even after they lost their top forward and defender, they were still Stanley Cup material.
The New York Islanders were kept together after 1983. They didn't lose Potvin and win a 4th Cup, then lose Bossy and win a 5th. They all stayed together.
The Islanders dynasty ended because they stopped winning.
Even within the narrow frame of their first 4 Cups (+1986 for Edmonton), the Oilers are more dominant.
The Oilers .782 playoff win % from 84-88 beats the Isles .769 from 80-83.
The Oilers .640 RS win% beats the Isles .572.
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