Greg Sherman & Co - Record as Colorado Avalanche GM (Part II)
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03-21-2013, 11:38 AM
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So Heebs, I've been totally on board with you on the EJ trade, but I'm going to respectfully diverge a bit here. Happy to discuss if you're willing.
Not all of Sherman's transactions have been bombs, and several have been good. Has he had a whopping explosive win so far? No, I don't think he has. But he's made decent moves.
I think the McGinn trade will go down as a good one. Yes, a ton of Avs fans tented their shorts when he got here and scored goals at a pace that was 4x better than he'd ever scored before, and the trade initially looked like whaling success. But if you take out that first month with Colorado, this is a guy who's never scored even 15 goals in a season. So now that he's come down to earth, the question is whether the Avs got a good 2nd line guy, or a good 3rd line guy in that trade. Given what they gave up and what they got, it's still a good trade. I just think expectations need to be leveled a bit. In the end, 3rd line forward and 4th line forward for 2nd line forward and two prospects? I'm sold.
Same thing for Downie. Aside from one really good season in Tampa Bay, here is another player who has never scored 15 goals in a NHL season. Yet because he came to Colorado on a trade high and scored a bunch of points, a lot of fans are seeing a 1st/2nd line player, when in actuality the team likely has a 2nd/3rd line guy. But probably a good one. That trade I'm not sold on. Because the Avs gave up a solid 2nd pairing guy who would look damn good next to EJ on this team. For all of the *****ing about Quincey late last season, he was solidly entrenched on Detroit's 2nd pairing this season, averaging over 19 minutes per game. 2nd line forward for 2nd line dman? I'm not sold.
So I want to now take into account Mitchell. He, like McGinn and Downie, has had a fantastic first 20ish games, scoring FAR above any level he's ever scored in the NHL before. Like McGinn and Downie, is it quite likely he's going to come down to earth? In my opinion, yes it is likely. Which is why I think the Avs should strongly consider trading him to a contender at the deadline. I think he'd be a great depth addition to a contending team, and would bring a decent pick or prospect in return. Still, good signing by Sherman.
The Parenteau signing looks really good here at the outset. Parenteau is a much smarter, much more creative player than I had thought. I really like him on the power play, because he can sit there at the half boards in the offensive zone and control the puck very well. The Avs haven't had a forward with that capability since Forsberg left (Stastny sort of can do it, but not really well). This can really open up a power play. Of course, it helps when said power play has a point man or two who can get shots through, but that's a different topic. :-) In the end, looks like a good signing by Sherman.
David Jones is a train wreck. He's completely lost. Not sure what to do there.
First of all I think you're a really good poster and I understand your frustration with the EJ trade, I'm not a fan of the way he's been playing on the offensive side of the puck either, but I still hope he'll bounce back and provide 35 points with great defense on regular basis.
As for the McGinn trade, I like it, but not so much because of Jamie, much more because of Sgarbossa and because of who we ended up trading in that trade. Lets face it Winnik wasn't coming back and Galiardi as much as I like the guy is really struglling mightly in San Jose just as he was here in Denver.
Considering Downie, he's a 3rd liner who can play in the top 6 when injuries hit and do a good job at it. My biggest concern with him is his health and unpredictable temper, which can sometimes help him, but most of the time it hurts him and the team. All in all I like him as a player. As for Quincey, I'm not a fan. Before the 10/11 season I posted here that I see him as a glue of our defense, if he plays good our defense looks better as a whole, if he underperforms our defense looks much worse. I think we can all say he didn't perform up to the expectation before he got dealt and in the Wings games I saw since he got there he's much like he was back when he was in Denver, his offense is maddeningly inconsistent and he's prone to defensive breakdowns and ill advised decisions with the puck on his stick. I see him an inconsistent #4 defenseman in this league. If Downie manages to stay relatively healthy (I realize that's a big if) I like this trade from our POV.
As for Mitchell, I didn't like the signing when it was anounced, I remembered him from TO and NY and he seemed like a guy who's in love with his stick-handling. His games with the Avs further proved that, but his flaws (bad defensive play, bad decisions with the puck) have been somewhat masked by the fact that he's on an inasne scoring streak and by the fact that he's playing on the wing. So I would agree with you I don't see him keep up this pace based on his history in the NHL.
Our defense is a cluster****, there's just no other word for it. I wanted them to re-sign Wilson and one of the SOB/Hunny duo, when they re-signed all three of them I was thinking OK they're trying to secure some depth on the blue-line as you just can't have too much defensemen, but then they wanted to sign Carkner who infamously refused them and they went to grab Zanon istead who was at best bad with the Bruins. Sherman's moves considering our defense thsi past offseason still have me puzzled.
I won't waste words on PAP because you've said it all in your post.
Regarding Jones I think he caught the Dustin ''I got paid so I can just float around'' Penner bug.
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