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03-22-2013, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SephF View Post
Companies like Bridgestone, Michelin, Continental etc etc spend hundreds of millions of dollars on research and development every year. There are hundreds of tests you can look at that show winter tires reduce stopping distance drastically. A regular tire compound isn't meant for temperatures below -7 degrees Celsius. As soon as the temperature drops below that range the compound stiffens and your contact patch with the road is reduced which leads to less grip, worse breaking and more tire wear.

There are tons of studies, that's why it's against the law in certain places to drive without winter tires.
Clearly I'm talking about road data, accidents, statistics and ACTUAL real world impact and whether or not safety is increased in actual driving. Not some contrived oval driving test.

The NHTSA has agreed that MORE statistical substantiation of the effects of snow tires is required. Its not a forgone conclusion that snow tires automatically result in safer driving and less accidents and injuries.

Stopping distance for one. What if you're stopped at a red light and some maniac is driving up behind you way too fast? You look in your mirror and see him sliding toward you. Naturally you'll want to pull forward, with all seasons you'll take longer to get traction and won't have as good of reaction time. With winters you'll get much more responsiveness from your vehicle.
Personally when stopped I know whats behind me, also I tend to slow gradually approaching a stop allowing vehicles behind me to also slow gradually. In this way imparting safer driving to all in vicinity. I also stop allowing a distance if I sense the car behind me is approaching too quickly. In this way if the car behind doesn't stop I have room to move forward and do. I've had this save a fender bender or worse countless times.

It's funny, all season tires aren't even a thing in Europe. They don't exist. People have a set of summer tires, and a set of winters. The North American market created demand for an "all season" tire so manufacturers started making them. Any tire guy will tell you all season tires are garbage in the snow and most manufacturers aren't keen on the all-season market but create tires for it because there's a demand.
Just so we're clear if I was driving in Northern Europe, mountainous regions, BC, or Quebec, or Ontario, Atlantic Canada with much different road condtions I would likely use snow tires. I personally do not feel I need them driving on the prairies with the primarily urban driving I do. Being in the industry I know you'll tell me my attitude is wrong wrong wrong.

Like I said earlier there are places where it's literally illegal to drive in the winter without winter tires. There's a reason for that.
Which I would agree with most definitely. I tend to thing such legislation occurs in regions where winter tires should be mandated.


source : I sell tires for a living and have gone to numerous seminars on winter tires specifically.
We have different perspectives on this which is fine. What I'm doing works for me and the vast majority of drivers in the prairie regions. I'm sure thats a huge source of concern for you in lost sales.

lets be clear here as well. YOU have vested interest in the discussion and thanks btw for disclosing that which I appreciate. I have no horses in this game. Just a different perspective.

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