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03-23-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dangerousjd View Post
how is plus minus stupid?? I think it tells a story!! sometimes there is a bit of luck but in Fraser/Fransons case you dont put up that kinda numbers defensively unless you are getting a significant edge against other 3rd line competition...I argue why they arent out there on the penalty kill more often...and Why Korbinon Holzer was on the 1st pairing with Phaneuf for so long? What was Carlyles big hardon for him???? Now, he has Liles and Gardiner playing together and there soft in the own end...good puckmovers its just that they should be broken up in my opinion..
Actaully other then last game i realize that franson/fraser were on the ice for 2 goals against, but other then that it is very rare to see them on the ice for any goal against....phaneuf/ holzer or phaneuf/gunnarson....are out on the ice all the time for goals against....I do like Phaneuf but he needs a reliable partner to play 1st line minutes with him...DEFENCE WINS GAMES.....not flash...
Plus minus is a terrible stat that doesn't tell you what the other 4 guys on the ice are doing. It also doesn't tell you how great or crummy your goaltender has been which plays a huge role in the state. Its easier to be a plus player playing in front of Rinne or Lundqvist than it is in front of Bryzgalov.

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