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03-25-2013, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kjell Dahlin View Post
Guy Carbonneau, one of the best shutdown C who ever play the game, once mentioned that if you want to thrive as a NHL shutdown C, you better be good in the FO circle.

Do you disagree with him?
Carbo was one of the best shutdown Cs who ever played the game, but he was also a terrible 5 on 5 coach...so I don't think disagreeing with him is that crazy. Asking Carbo about puck possession is like asking Milbury about trades.

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist View Post
I disagree. Habs have a better forecheck and faster forwards. We can't dismiss that. Certainly getting the start with the puck does not mean you end with it or dominate the play but it is a clear advantage offensively and defensively.

I was merely going into circles on purpose with the poster. He mentioned FO as some reason why DD should be a center, then I asked about Eller to see if it no longer matters. It does, any way you slice it, it does. However, as you put it, some things can be overlooked if the player brings other elements to the table such as Eller. In an ideal world however, based on the ramblings of DD's weakness at a dot(which is better than Eller) neither is a center.
I think Talk to Goalposts point is that faceoffs is just one way to win the puck, and while it certainly helps efficiency, a FO specialist like Steckel or Konopka is not better for possession than an above average possession player who is mediocre at faceoffs, like Eller. Obviously a Bergeron who wins faceoffs and every other puck battle out there is worth his weight in gold, but ~50% on faceoffs isn't going to hurt you if the player has other value.

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