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03-26-2013, 03:07 AM
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Maybe it's a perception thing but Zubov was under Hitch in his 4th full year in the NHL at age 26.
Do you actually believe that Hitch was employing Zubov much in defensive situations when he had Hatcher, Sydor and Matvichuk?
Give your head a shake.
He was better later in his career for sure but the early part of his pre Hitch carer is short and his offense is way better than Savards do we need to pull up the actual numbers here?
Here it's easy, Zubov is a 0.72 PPG player in his career, Savard .42 and I won't even begin to bring in the era thing.
.30 PPG over 100 games is quite a gap.
That's a huge offensive difference. Zubov isn't Phil Housley on the back end.
And I say Savard's defense to Zubov's was more than the .30 PPG adjusted for era or not gap that Zubov had offensively.
They both have exactly 1 2nd team all star selection.
Yeah, lets evaluate the competition that each player was going up against for the 4 all-star spots heh
Zubov has a legit Norris argument the year 06 he was a 2nd team guy while Savards was more of a reward for an aging vet in 79.
Savard was 5th behind Orr, Potvin, Lapointe and Salming in '75
5th behind Potvin, Park, Salming and Lapointe in '76
5th behind Robinson, Salming, Potvin and Lapointe in '77
and 4th behind Potvin, Robinson and Salming in '79
Lidstrom would have been lucky to have finished better than that against those guys let alone Sergei freakin Zubov!
You can talk about how watered down you think the league was in the 70's all you want but if you believe for one nano second that the competition for the Norris was deeper or especially more consistent in the 2000's than it was in the mid-late 70's, you're completely out of your freakin mind!
Even with the Conn Smythe it's pretty hard to argue that there is a huge gap in their playoff resume and impact.
No it really isn't, especially if one ACTUALLY saw both players play!
I have always maintained that Zubov's offense was slightly better than Lidstrom's but I also don't hold Lidstrom's offense in that high of a regard vs the best offensive D-men anyway so it really doesn't mean as much as you think it does.
And after offense, there is no sentence that should be uttered that includes Zubov's name with Lidstrom's.
Even Scotty Bowman, who Lidstromites love to quote in favour of Lidstrom, said that he believed Savard was better than Lapointe or Robinson.
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