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03-26-2013, 03:09 PM
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ushvinder
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Originally Posted by eva unit zero View Post
Isn't the normal argument in Messier vs. Yzerman that Messier would have produced MORE without Gretzky? How could Gilmour have beaten Messier if he scored an even higher amount than what beat Gilmour IRL?



Yzerman had excellent playoff runs before the Wings were stacked. Also, the Flames were pretty damn stacked. And for your reference, Yzerman outplayed Gilmour in the 1993 series until he was injured in the middle of it.

But this Yzerman/Gilmour stuff is way off topic. To get us back on topic I will provide Fedorov's info (30GP for 1994-95 instead of 50, otherwise Josef Beranek's the only eligible player):

Sergei Fedorov
PPG RankSelkeSeasonNotable achievements
30th21st19912nd Calder, All-Rookie
25th2nd1992Most 1st place Selke votes
29th4th1993 
3rd1st1994Won Hart/Pearson/Selke/1AS; 4th GPG
9th4th19955AS
7th1st19965th Hart, 6AS(C), 5AS(LW), 6AS(RW)
42nd9th1997 
44th19th200112th Hart
40th8th2002 
13th8th20039th Hart, 5AS
33rd19th2004 
153rd32nd2007 
126th66th2008 
If we discount 1998 because he only played 21 games (due to contract situations), he was only left out of voting four times in his entire career; 1999, 2000, 2006, and 2009. And he only played 52 games in 2009, so he was unlikely to receive votes that year. In fact, of the years he missed, 1999 is the only one where he played more than 68 games. And it was the first time he had scored fewer than 30 goals or 63 points (disregarding the 21-games in 97-98 and pro-rating the 94-95 season).

Furthermore, I think this shows that his 1994 season is pretty darn good. He was 4th in GPG, 3rd in PPG, and won the Selke/Hart/Pearson trio and was named to the first all-star team. That's why people call it one of the best seasons of All-Time; because he was one of the most dominant, if not the most dominant player in the league in all areas of the game, not just goal scoring, or general offense, or just defense. Everything.
His season was a product of playing on a great team with quality linemates(Cicarelli, Coffey, Kozlov, Lidstom) and getting boosted ice time when Yzerman goes down. On a weaker team thats a 100-110 point season at best. If anything his peak has become over-glorified.

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