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03-28-2013, 02:24 PM
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Move Madison Square Garden to give Penn Station more space: Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer
The pol says the transit hub is bursting at the seams and has suggested only renewing MSG's permit for another 10 years while the arena looks for a new location.[/SIZE]
/ NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 11:58 PM
Updated: Thursday, March 28, 2013, 1:00 AM
Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer has proposed moving Madison Square Garden away from its current location to accommodate the increasing traffic at Penn Station.
Madison Square Garden should be planted somewhere else, a city pol says.
Penn Station is bursting at the seams — and to give it room to expand, the city should refuse to give the Garden an indefinite permit to stay atop the cramped station, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer argues.
Instead, the city should extend the Garden’s permit — which expired in January — for only 10 years while the arena looks for a new spot, Stringer says.
The Garden recently has sunk nearly $1 billion into a massive renovation, and any deal to move would probably involve big public subsidies.
But Stringer said it’s crucial for the arena to relocate for the third time in its history.
If Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer gets his way, he’ll see Madison Square Garden moved further west to provide more room for the bursting-at-the-seams Penn Station.
“It is time to build a more spacious,
attractive and efficient station that will further encourage transit use
, reduce driving into the city and spur economic growth,” he says. “While we need to ensure the Garden always has a vibrant and accessible home in Manhattan, moving the arena is an important first step to improving Penn Station.”
Sites that have been suggested include Ninth Ave. and W. 30th St., now the site of a general mail facility, or behind the General Post Office between W. 31st and W. 33rd Sts.
The post office itself will be the future home of Amtrak operations now at Penn Station.
The City Planning Commission and City Council will have final say on the permit, while Stringer’s vote is advisory. The Council might resist giving the Garden what it wants because Cablevision, which arena owner James Dolan also runs, has experienced recent labor strife.
A spokesman for Madison Square Garden said the arena was being “unfairly singled out” since no other sports venue in the city has a time limit on its operations.
They don't need a brand spanking new terminal to encourage more people to use mass transit. As long as they keep raising tolls every other quarter, people will be forced to use it where ever the station might be.
Where were these people with these ideas before the Garden decided to give itself a face lift? So now Rangers (and Knicks) fans have to pay for the renovations and then will take it in the shorts again when they end up in a brand new building.
I love the Garden, I remember going when I was a kid. I would get that nervous/excited feeling when walking through the tunnel and seeing the ice. I'm 40 now and still get that way. It used to happen at Old Yankee Stadium as well. While the new place is nice, I just get a different feeling when I go there now, who knows maybe I'm just disgusted on how much everything costs there. But many of us grew up at the Garden, I would hate for them to move from there.
I guess if it had to happen, you would think that the post office accross the street would be a logical location. Hell the post office will probably be out of buisness in 10-15 years anyway.
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